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Suffolk / Re: Wightmans of Framlingham (and Websters)
« on: Tuesday 12 March 24 10:32 GMT (UK)  »
My line is via Edmund's son, Samuel. Samuel was a (tenant) miller at Framsden by 1851. The census has him as a master miller employing one man and one boy. Shortly afterwards, he took over the mill at Thornham Magna. His death there in 1857 forced a sale of all his possessions, which must have been bought by loan. The sale notices referred to him as a "farmer and miller of Stoke Ash and Thornham and also of Framsden".

Samuel's son, Edmund, briefly took over the running of the mill at Framsden (Framsden had two mills but this is assumed to be the current one). Edmund made a hash of things and his involvement with the mill did not last long. Evicted from his house by Lord Tollemache and involved in at least one fight at the local pub! His son, also Edmund, was much more successful, as was his son Sam, who went on to run Debenham mill and Hill Farm at Debenham.

The mill passed into Webster ownership in 1879, hence the name of Websters Mill, even though the Webster family had been involved with running it, with some gaps, some years beforehand.

For me, the interesting feature of these families is that although the trees of the later Framsden millers and my own diverge in the early 19thC, the family ties were still strong enough in the 1930s for my mother to spend summers recuperating from illness at Sam Webster's farm at Debenham.

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Suffolk / Re: Wightmans of Framlingham (and Websters)
« on: Monday 11 March 24 10:16 GMT (UK)  »
This is part of a larger article that appears to be number 9 of a series. It is a shame the article has gone as it has several other Framlingham gravestones similarly transcribed
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Ipswich Journal 11 July 1882

The graveyards of Suffolk with ancient and modern epitaphs.

What may be termed a professional epitaph is that over the grave of "Edmund Webster" whose chiming proclivities during a long life were not forgotten after his death, which took place June 8th, 1834, aged 79 years. His epitaph at one corner of Framlingham churchyard is as follows:

In the year seventeen hundred and eighty four
To chime he did begin,
And constant with rising companies
He many years was seen.
His last great peal for a wedding was,
Which he performed with glee,
So the years he was a chimer,
Above you may plainly see.

The above is evidently truthful and to the point, though it does not say much for the poetic talent of the writer.
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Being a bellringer probably explains the rather grand gravestone for a family that seems to have been poor. Deborah's funeral bills were paid by the church (original document in the Record Office). The church also seems to have secured the indenture of at least some of the family's children to respectable Framlingham businessmen.

Deborah's surname is recorded in the baptism records for her children as Whiting, Wighting, Wightman and Whiteman. A Deborah Whiting of Athelington married an Edward Webster of Framlingham at Athelington in 1784, the year that the above epitaph has as the start of of his bellringing career. They had a daughter Elizabeth baptised at Stradbroke in 1785 who may have died at Framlingham in 1789. I was hoping the recent baptism cd release by SFHS that covers 18thC Framlingham might cast some light on Edmund/Edward's origins but he is not listed there.

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Suffolk / Re: William ALDOUS of Bedfield Hall
« on: Saturday 13 November 21 10:26 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry to add to an old thread!

There is also a Mary Goodram, baptised at Wickham Market (next to Charsfield) on 18 November 1792. Mother late Boar.

A Robert Goodram and Mary Boor married at Leiston on 21 December 1785, so a move via Laxfield is possible.

Mary had a sister, Martha Gooderham, baptised at Hacheston, mother late Bore, in 1789.

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Suffolk / Re: Wightmans of Framlingham (and Websters)
« on: Saturday 15 February 20 14:37 GMT (UK)  »
I haven't really got much further with Deborah. Yes, there are a lot of Wightmans/Whitemans in the Framlingham area but the only birth I've found even close is for a Deborah Whiting as the illegitimate daughter of Eleanor at Burston, 10 miles from Stradbroke, in 1760.

Their eldest son Edmund was first indentured to James Garrod of Stradbroke, which supports an area connection with Framlingham.

Jesse was removed from Leiston to Framlingham in 1817 as having no settlement rights. He married at Framlingham in the same year.

The cordwainer that Joshua was apprenticed to was John Ling.

Isaac Webster was apprenticed by the parish to Samuel Wightman of Framlingham, a carrier. in 1817. He was a 'poor child of 14 years'.

Samuel and Lucy's gravestone is in Thornham Magna churchyard.

Any more info gratefully received. Joshua is a minor mystery - he may have a son in 1825, son of Joshua and Margaret.

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Suffolk / Re: Wightmans of Framlingham (and Websters)
« on: Saturday 15 February 20 13:09 GMT (UK)  »
There's also an earlier Elizabeth Webster b1785 at Stradbroke (up the road from Athelington), parents Edward and Deborah. She may have died at Framlingham in 1789.

Deborah's birth year is a problem as she would have been 50 when she gave birth to her last child. I suspect her age at death was largely a guess.

Edmund and Deborahs's gravestone is right by the main entrance to Framlingham churchyard. It is quite a substantial one and an inscription area is worn off but fortunately it was recorded in a 19thC newspaper article. It was a verse about Edmund being a bellringer at the church. I left a copy of this article in the church's grave index book a couple of years ago but I don't know if it is still there.

The church paid for Deborah's funeral (the bill is in the SRO) and presumably paid for the gravestone, as it is evident the couple were poor. The church also sorted out several apprenticeships for their children, again these are in the SRO.

Samuel's brother Joshua was apprenticed to a shoemaker at Framsden who had an issue with residence rights there. Joshua then had to apply for settlement rights at Framlingham in 1811 and in 1834 a Joshua Webster was jailed for causing a disturbance at the poor house (in the castle). Samuel went to Framsden, though, before dying at Thornham Magna in 1857 as a 'miller of Thornham and Framsden'. He founded a kind of milling dynasty with sons as millers at Framsden, Pattiswick and High Easter.

Jesse - lived in Framlingham but died in 1839. He was still indentured after his marriage.

Joshua - got stuck with him, with little found after his poor house antics.

Michael - a blacksmith at South Weald. joined in 1851 census by brother Samuel's son Michael, with some interesting spellings of Framlingham!

Elizabeth - farmer's wife at Dennington

Abraham - infant death

Isaac - lived in Framlingham but moved late in life to Sussex to daughter Emma's family.

There is a Webster family story that Sam Webster b1877 was told by his father that they were descended from Whitemans.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
« on: Friday 19 April 19 19:44 BST (UK)  »
I have a slightly different scrolling problem. Autoscrolling is working in most views except when selecting the Common Ancestor filter. I'm getting only 20 matches for All, Close or Distant matches.

All gives me 20 and scrolls no further, Close gives me 20 and Distant a different 20, so there should be at least 40 in 'All' (I did have around 60). Take off the Common Ancestor filter and autoscrolling works.

I've tried cache and cookie clearance, plus I've filled in some beta feedback.

John

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 16:50 GMT (UK)  »
I've found the Thru Lines of very little help but otherwise, it's been fine for me.

Common ancestors has been incredibly useful. I've got about 10% wrong on my tree and 20% or so on my partner's. That increase for the latter is entirely down to one family with both a lot of DNA-linked descendants and a lot of copied wrong links. Remove people connected to that one family from the results and it's down to about 10%.

I guess that if someone's tree has several of these families, then their error rate will be a lot higher but that is more a case of bad luck rather than a fault of the system.

For me, I have a large number of entirely new, verifiable links, often at cousin levels I would never have bothered with looking at before. I would not want to go back to the old system at all. I'd still be better off if half the matches were wrong!

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
« on: Saturday 23 February 19 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
OK I am a little concerned with "the pointing to a lineage composed of two or more trees joined up to fill in generation gaps"

given how some of the potential parent hints they give are clearly wrong and yet people still add them to their trees. That said I think there are potentially more positives than negatives.

You're quite right - you can't take them at face value without conducting your own checks but they have thrown up a huge amount of new leads.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: new beta on ancestry dna results
« on: Saturday 23 February 19 12:59 GMT (UK)  »
It's a brand new interface, plus what were Hints pointing to your tree and a.n.other's are now Common Ancestors pointing to a lineage composed of two or more trees joined up to fill in generation gaps.


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