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Not every family wants their details posted in a public forum like this one.
People worldwide can see what we post on here.
Not everyone wants that.
This is not my own family.

The request is "how to see original records" if you can't currently find them, and it's a valid one.

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I don't wish to put a family name up here for the moment.
But I could correspond with you privately if you feel you have ideas that could assist with viewing the original records.

thank you

Not every family wants their details posted in a public forum like this one.
People worldwide can see what we post on here.
Not everyone wants that.
This is not my own family.

The request is "how to see original records" if you can't currently find them, and it's a valid one.


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You don't give any idea of dates but some Isleworth transcripts are available on FindMyPast have been transcribed on 3 separate occasions by familysearch,  West Middlesex FHS (NBI) & Rob Cottrell so the chance of errors are reduced.  There are also transcripts of MI's. & findagrave have some burials

Not there on FindaGrave nor any related sites involving or relying upon photos or headstones.

I will check FamilySearch and report back (thank you) if you know of the existence of some reliable transcriptions.

One single incorrect letter in a transcription can make a record impossible to call up, via Indexes...


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Is this a scattergun search, or do you have a name and date of death to work from?

No it's not scattergun.
It's a targeted search.
Official personnel have been consulted and it's thought that there may be an error in transcription, affecting the Indexes (there sometimes is).

I don't wish to put a family name up here for the moment.
But I could correspond with you privately if you feel you have ideas that could assist with viewing the original records.

thank you

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Is there an online way to consult ORIGINAL cemetery/burial records for Isleworth, London UK [and adjacent cemeteries]?

Hounslow Council have Indexes for all their burial grounds, I've been assured, but not original records. So it seems to be impossible for the office clerks to see the original writing and check for Indexing errors.

If there are no online resources for this particular locality, how could a person have sight of an original register for Isleworth etc?

Please don't suggest Deceased Online because this has already been fully explored.

There is no link I can give to another topic I'm aware of.
It's a query relating to How To View An Original Record, when you don't live in the area.

thank you


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London and Middlesex / Re: Who were The NICE brothers, please... London 1880s perhaps
« on: Saturday 20 November 21 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
Dulciebun,

I am learning to assume nothing about you, your funds or your time.

 I have helped you in the past where the results of my funds and time was a cordial, online Rootschat relationship with you.
I do not understand why there is so much criticism from you today.

I have no idea who the men are, but, as I wrote earlier, there are family trees with what looks to be  the older man and owners of those trees are linking him to John Heath.

You write:

I later came forward with what I had found, in order to show that the oddities in the censuses had been noticed by myself as well as you.

This was of course after the work was done by me.

I reiterate that it would have been best to state what you had researched at the beginning. Had you done so, for my part, I would have been more than willing, as ever,  to collaborate with you to confirm or deny your findings.

Best wishes

Heywood.

heywood

I hadn't researched it, that's incorrect, nor could I give you information or any links 'at the beginning' or in advance, because I had no facts. Even I can't do the impossible. (I wish!)

I possessed nothing when I asked the question, just a photograph of anonymous men. Who are still anonymous.

Time to close this down, I think?
We need to treat each other with gentleness and kindness, always.

Better things to do - such as helping people find things they need, which is what we all do well.

D


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London and Middlesex / Re: Who were The NICE brothers, please... London 1880s perhaps
« on: Saturday 20 November 21 14:39 GMT (UK)  »
I have just discovered that there are several trees posted with information that you might already have known Dulciebun and the information which I discovered by searching.
A couple of the trees have photographs, one of which looks very like your man in the photo, complete with a couple of instruments.
The owners of those trees have presumably reached the same conclusions that cuffie81 and I have done but you may want to contact them.

I have researched on Rootschat for a long time now, and my advice has always been that it helps to post what is known and what is required. It can be very helpful to those searching and avoids misunderstandings.

I maintain that it would have been better if, from the outset, it had been mentioned that you were trying to establish that William Nice was /not John Heath rather than leaving it for others to discover and then think they were successfully helping.


heywood

You assume that I have the funds to access multiple online sites and also the free time to consult them.
Maybe you do. We are not all equal.

I am here purely at the request of another person who is too frail to write for themself (NOT the person who asked about a murdered man).

I assumed nothing and was trying to prove nothing. Exploration of the matter is the aim.
I later came forward with what I had found, in order to show that the oddities in the censuses had been noticed by myself as well as you.

Nothing was 'known' or is known. And no particular outcome in any direction was expected or hoped for or required. So there was nothing to LINK to, and nothing to REQUIRE from members here, simply an open question about 2 men with banjos in a black and white photo, not knowing where on earth it might lead. I followed what was offered and then added what I, too, had considered.

I haven't a clue who the men in the photo are. Have you?

D


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London and Middlesex / Re: Who were The NICE brothers, please... London 1880s perhaps
« on: Saturday 20 November 21 13:45 GMT (UK)  »
majm
I respect your qualifications, because I know how hard it is to earn them.

However you accused me of deliberately withholding information, or not making a link to another thread, thus breaking RootsChat rules.

There is no link to be made with another thread.
There is nothing to be gained from alerting researchers to the enquiry about the burial record. No connection at all that I can see at the moment.

Therefore I break no rules.
And I dislike being criticised or reprimanded for something I clearly have not done.
I can't speak for you, of course, but I think you would feel the same?

D



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London and Middlesex / Re: Who were The NICE brothers, please... London 1880s perhaps
« on: Saturday 20 November 21 13:26 GMT (UK)  »
majm

To make things even clearer - and speaking generally - when we investigate one thing, other things may surface in the course of an investigation which have NO CONNECTION whatsoever, NO LINK at all with the original enquiry.

But they can still relate to serious crime and need to be addressed.

Please listen.
And instead of criticising (and wasting everyone's time), please help.

D



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