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Lancashire / Re: Butterworth
« on: Friday 04 May 12 09:12 BST (UK)  »

I have done a lot of research on both James Butterworth and Ann Ingham, too much to repeat on here. The basics are: JB born 22/04/1854 Bury, married Ann Lord 30/05/1874 Bury, married Ann Ingham 04/101890 Rochdale. died 27/12/1911 Burnley.
AI born 21/03/1860 Bury,married JB as above, married Mar Qtr 1913 Albert Lawless Burnley, died April 1944 Burnley.
If you would like all my research details I could email copies of my notes (all typed), my email address is * , let me know. I am away all weekend so will reply on my return should you have any further queries.

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Lancashire / Re: Butterworth
« on: Thursday 03 May 12 11:24 BST (UK)  »

Yes that is the grave that I found, eventually! The next plot A12296 purchased by Constance also contains members of the Butterworth family.


Lancashire / Re: Butterworth
« on: Wednesday 02 May 12 19:43 BST (UK)  »

Thanks for your message, my only interest in Butterworth was that James B. gave his name to my Grandmother Edith/Ada Butterworth, although I do not think he was the father as there is no father's name on the birth certificate. He was married to Edith's mother, but I think that when Edith was conceived he had quit the marital home and was living with his future 'wife', Ann Ingham.
I wanted to explore his life and find his death, which after a lot of research I did, so if there are any loose ends in your research please let me know and I will fill in any gaps if I can.


Where did that come from? it took me many months of research, and eventually a visit to Burnley cemetary to unearth that information. Also I must ask, why, after all this time  has this thread lept into action?


The Common Room / Re: Divorce 19th Century
« on: Monday 25 June 07 19:37 BST (UK)  »
Dear All,

Many thanks for all the replies and comments to my original post.

All of which I found most interesting and informative.

I also found the comment by Valda re name change most interesting. My G G Grandfather changed his name from Edward Henry McLaren sometime between 1867 and 1870 to Philip McConnell. I don't know why, I probably never will.

Yet his daughter, Elizabeth - my G Grandmother, kept the McLaren surname when she gave birth to my Grandfather (illegitimate), in 1880, otherwise I would have been a McConnell!

Peter McLaren

The Common Room / Divorce 19th Century
« on: Thursday 21 June 07 20:37 BST (UK)  »
I have recently read many of the posts, including the knowledgeable replies and comments on the above subject. As I have an instance of bigamy in my tree I thought it would be interesting to members to read the following.

My G. Grandmother, Ann Lord, married James Butterworth in Bury on 30 May 1874, they had two children, Alice Ann and Elizabeth Ellen, both born prior to 1881.

On the 1881 census Ann is living as married, with her two children, but there is no mention of James, and I have not been able to find him anywhere on the 1881 census.

My grandmother Ada (later known as Edith) was born 10 Oct. 1883, no father is
named on the birth certificate, but she was given the Butterworth surname.

It would seem that James left Ann and went to live with Ann(ie) Ingham, who bore him four children between Oct 1882 and Mar 1889. No father is named on any of the birth certificates. All born in Bury.

Jame's wife Ann remarried 13 Jul. 1889, (calling herself widowed) i.e. after the birth of the fourth of Ann(ie) Ingham's children, by, I assume, James Butterworth.

Ann(ie) Ingham and James were married in Rochdale on 4 Oct.1890, (James described as bachelor) and were living as man and wife in Bury in the 1891 census, although all children were still called Ingham.

Ann(ie) and James moved to Burnley, where they had two more children.

I am currently reviewing copies of the local paper covering the above period, a long but interesting task, to see if I can find any mention of divorce or desertion or whatever.

A postscript to the above is that I have been unable to find the death of James, and only the marriages of three of his daughters, but none of his sons!

I know it is not necessary to find the death of James but I think it would draw a line under his life, especially as he gave his name to my Grandmother.

Hope whoever reads this finds it interesting and not too boring.

Any comments and or remarks would be welcome.

Peter McLaren

Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: lookup - butterworth
« on: Monday 21 May 07 20:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, not likely to be my Butterworth's, but will check the site.


Immigrants & Emigrants - General / lookup - butterworth
« on: Friday 23 March 07 20:13 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for James and Ann/Annie Butterworth, and children, Elizabeth, Alice , John, James and Constance. They all went missing from Burnley post 1901 census.

Could they have emigrated? any help greatfully received.



Lancashire / Jan
« on: Friday 23 March 07 20:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, again.

I have inquired about the JB death in 1902, and the details do not match. He was born 1854 in Bury, even though his age on the 1901 census was given as
50, Ann's age was given as 46 and she was born 1860, again in Bury. Why they would give these ages is a puzzle as on all previous census and certificates their correct ages were given.

I note your other comments and I will take your advice, Thanks


Lancashire / Hi Jan and Pam
« on: Thursday 22 March 07 20:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for replies. However I have done extensive research, not only in Burnley, but surrounding towns when ages at the time of the event matched that of my subjects, but to no avail.

To answer the points raised:

Thomas did not have a middle name, so I have put that one to one side for the moment.

John did not have a middle name either, but as he was born in 1897 he would have been too young to be married in the years stated.

I have a marriage certificate for Alice married 7/10/1905 to William Martin, but I am not 100% sure that I have the right one, even though all the data matches.

Lancashire Registrar's office has checked, twice, all Elizabeth Butterworths married 1901+ in Burnley, and none match the criterion required. Again she did not have a middle name.

I have not inquired about the James B marriage, mainly because he would have been 25+ which seemed a little old to be getting married at that time. I may be wrong, so if all else fails I may give it a try.

As mentioned in my original post, I do have the correct marriage of Sarah Ann.

My main interest is in the father, James, as he married and then deserted or divorced my Great Grandmother, and married Ann/Annie Ingham, so I would like to find his death just to draw a line under his life, so as I have been unable to find his death anywhere (despite detailed research and certificate requests) I thought if I could trace some of his family, particularly marriages, I might get a clue as to his time/place of death.

Again thanks for response.


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