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I knew much of this but posting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as it saves typing.
Keren-happuch (Hebrew: קֶרֶן הַפּוּךְ‎ Qeren Happūḵ, Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈqeren hapˈpux], "Horn of kohl") was the youngest of the three beautiful daughters of Job, named in the Bible as given to him in the later part of his life, after God made Job prosperous again. Keren-happuch's older sisters are named as Jemima and Keziah (Job 42:14). Job's sons, in contrast, are not named.

Keren-happuch, along with her sisters, was described as more beautiful than all the other women in the land. Also, unusually and in common with her sisters, Keren-happuch was granted an inheritance by her father, with her brothers as might have been expected (Job 42:15). Apart from these brief references at the end of the Book of Job, she is not mentioned elsewhere in the Bible.

Peter Bloomfield suggests that the beauty of his daughters "underscores Job's complete recovery. Job had been a very sick man but you would never know it by looking at his daughters."[1]

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Use of such a name may indicate a religious affiliation
-- perhaps Methodism or other non-conformism.

Interestingly I have a coach builder in Deptford marrying someone Cornish.
Also a connection to ship wrights.
Does anyone know if this is a trend and if so why?


Thank you girl guide -- that JOHN JONES in 1851 census might be worth my look and probably the original poster's look as well.
I am trying to work out if a 29 year old bachelor would marry a widow older than him.
Just remembered other members of the Jones family witnessed that wedding. So will check census and wedding see if any help. If census mentions East Malling or Maidstone or David you might hear my hurrah in Australia even in the UK.
But as its 3.30am i will obey the hours of silence rule.

I think what was put up was a gardener with wonky g.

Thank you

The Common Room / Re: Changed her name then she was a he
« on: Sunday 11 April 21 17:41 BST (UK)  »
My favourite census error is the addition of Robert to a family
and the absence of a son with initials AGB of the same age.
Obviously AGB in copperplate looks like ROB
and was extended by the transcriber to Robert.

Surprising how many erroneous trees there are for the non-existent Robert.

But as I am alive (I hope) and on the main tree
along with all 16 of my great great grandparents
-- they are related to only one
-- and their tree very wonky in many other respects
-- I am completely disinclined to tell them.

But occasionally gain comfort in contemplating how to invade their privacy
as they have no regard for my family.
Better than shedding heaps of tears.
They have quite the ''interesting" immediate family with all sorts of irregularities.


The Common Room / Re: Changed her name then she was a he
« on: Sunday 11 April 21 15:12 BST (UK)  »
shaunJ rightly says "That's not how the census was taken. The head of the household had to fill in an enumeration form which was then transcribed into the census book by the enumerator. Only if the head of the household was illiterate or otherwise had difficulty filling in the form would the enumerator provide assistance in filling in the form. "

That is THE point -- the census records we see are an at that time transcription or even a transcription of a transcription.

The original transcriber may have misread an "e" as an "i"
-- may have assumed in filling in unfilled details such as gender, relationship and occupation. 
He may have written up his books weeks later.

The handwriting rarely varies meaning many households were "written up" at the same time.
He did not stand at doorstep and write up his books.
Trying to read pages of hand script with no clue as to the writer's hand, use of expression, understanding of the form etc and no memory even of which household they were -- well it was just plain open for errors wasn't it?

 If someone was not listened to in a household -- well an ignorant householder or uncaring husband could say anything.

I have an ancestor born Cornwall no place -- did hubby not ask -- could he not spell it -- did she not know -- did census takers in Deptford just not get the placename when they were transcribing and thought just Cornwall will do.

Also the records were not written for us and our descendants
nor our ancestors but merely for government statistics.

Otherwise, maybe, she did all that just to be employed and paid a semi-decent wage?
Brave lady if so.

Apologies and regards

Firstly at some stage Deptford ceased to be its own place and became part of greater London.
If he said London the census taker added the Middlesex.

Ancestry puts some or most of the records of Deptford under London or Lewisham.

So the change from Deptford is not surprising.

I too have ancestors shipwrights in Grove Place.

I also have a John Jones elsewhere in Kent -- old enough to be the dad.

I have several suggestions for the occupation of John Jones

Gardener -- most probable
Labourer though a little different to the other labourer
Leadener -- possibly blacking boots etc or stoves etc
dim and distant last badly written landowner

Lantener and leadener not found except as surnames on Google
Lanterner in French apparently means to dilly-dally
so maybe he was a jack of all trades?
[added SNAP 3 gardeners] great minds and all that

The Lighter Side / Re: Does family history get to you sometimes?
« on: Saturday 10 April 21 09:59 BST (UK)  »
So glad for you Marmalady.

Our family's blood was tested after baby sister's death
so I guess we helped in development of remedy now given after birth of each child.
Glad others do not have the lifelong grief of my parents and by default us.


The Lighter Side / Re: Does family history get to you sometimes?
« on: Saturday 10 April 21 06:33 BST (UK)  »
2 thoughts.
I know of a moderately well-to-do family in Australia who had thirteen children.
The eldest and one other survived past two.
Having lost a sister at age 1h --
I suspect the cause of these deaths was rhesus factor incompatibility. 
If a mother with rh- blood has a baby who is rh+ she raises antibodies to rh+ blood --
these attack any future babies with rh+ blood. 
So the first baby survived and the later baby was either lucky or had rh- blood. 

My baby sister was third baby with rh+ blood to a mother with rh- blood.

This has a medical solution these days.

Another family in 1903 the father died of a disease antibiotics would have cured.
The mum kept eldest son and her daughters --
sent 2nd child a boy to live with his grandparents -- 50 or more miles away.
Why him? -- a mystery.


World War One / Re: Understanding Casualty Record
« on: Wednesday 07 April 21 10:14 BST (UK)  »
Grandad survived GSW to leg and trench foot to die of war wounds from WW1 in May 1939.
Two great uncles died of snippers' single bullets on 2nd May 1915 -- after landing at Gallipoli on 25th April, 1915. News of the death of one took a year to reach Australia and his nephew was born extremely prematurely and with cerebral palsy. He (the nephew -- my uncle) was no less a victim of war and a very brave man and lived to be 76.
War distributed its trauma in all manner of ways.

World War One / Re: Understanding Casualty Record
« on: Wednesday 07 April 21 08:12 BST (UK)  »
Sorry but a google search provided this
The medical history of the great war explains that I.C.T. was a general term for suppurating skin diseases (Pyodermia), caused mainly due to parasitic disease, but did not include scabies. This was extremely common among soldiers in the Great War due to the dirty conditions they had to live in.15 July 2007 topic 78766-medical
medical abbreviation ICT - Soldiers and their units - Great War ...

There was also a forum posting
what does ICT mean? (World War One) - RootsChat.Com
18 Aug 2012 Re: what does ICT mean? ... Hi, This stands for 'inflamed connective tissue' a condition that occurred amongst soldiers in World War One due to all ...

connective tissue includes skin bone and cartilage ligaments etc

[added : additional information to the splendid response by Viktoria
-- to explain the I C T part of the record only
-- the sorry was an apology for resorting to google
in  no way meant to implying the information provided was incorrect nor criticism of Viktoria]

regards pH

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