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Wexford / Re: Is the name Ciss or Cissie a real name
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 10:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Wexflyer and mowsehowse, i think Wexflyer's interpretation of Cissie may explain the 'Cissie Roche' title that is connected to my family. i haven't been able to find any more information on the internet regarding our 'Cissie Roche'; I think I'll have to wait until I can go back to Ireland and read Helen Ashdown's book 'The Last Surrender'. There are 2 women called 'Cissie' in the South Wexford brigades of Cumman na Mban but they don't have the right surname. I wonder if the use of 'Cissie' has anything to do with sisterhood as in the IRB - the Irish Republican brotherhood - just a thought.....Thanks for your input, I appreciate the help. geraldine96

Wexford / Re: Is the name Ciss or Cissie a real name
« on: Saturday 06 October 18 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Thankyou Rootschatters, the Cissie or Ciss question has drawn a lot of interest and has been very helpful. I'll try some of the names out and see what I get back from my searches.

the family summarised by Rootschatter 'dathai' this morning, sat. 6th Oct. is my Roche family. Thomas Roche 1869 - 1952 from Ferns was an active member of the Ferns battalion of Irish Volunteers in the 1916 'Rising'. Bridget Roche born 1885 is my grandmother. About 3 weeks ago I spoke to a 93 year old resident in Ferns who knew Thomas well, and she gave me some names of Thomas' family - one of these names was 'Cissie'; it wasn't clear if 'Cissie ' was a niece or a sibling. On the same day I visited the Atheneum museum in Enniscorthy to see a commemorative exhibition for the 1916 'Rising'. While there I met Helen Ashdown's mother and she showed me Helen's book called 'The Last Surrender'- The 1916 Rising. In the back were all the names of people featured in her book. Along with Thomas Roche there was Cissie Roche and john Roche. Unfortunately I had to return to England and left Enniscorthy that afternoon. i have looked on the internet to see if the book can be purchased/loaned in England but have drawn a blank. Helen's mother said it's publication was brief and it's no longer available to buy. I think the book can only be found  in the Enniscorthy environs. i live in England and doubt that any kind of Inter - library loan can be arranged between the republic of Ireland and England. Like Rootschatter 'Dathai', I wonder if 'Cissie' is my grandmother Bridget too, I'd really like to find out - Helen Ashdown's book may help. If my appeal through Rootschat doesn't work, I'll have to think of something else. Can anyone reading this message who lives in the Enniscorthy area read the pages in the book relevant to Cissie Roche (if they can track the book down, possibly the Enniscorthy library). I'll leave it with you, Rootschatters and see what comes up, but thanks for all your very prompt replies - it keeps the search 'alive'. Geraldine96   

Wexford / Is the name Ciss or Cissie a real name
« on: Friday 05 October 18 15:04 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for a Cissie Roche, possibly born in the 1870's or early 1880's. She was part of the volunteers in the 1916 Rising.
She is listed in the back pages of Helen Ashdown's book about the 1916 'Rising' in Enniscorthy ' her residence is given as Lower Ferns This book isn't available anywhere in England. I wonder if there are any Rootschatters around Enniscorthy that have the book and can tell me about Cissie Roche.
I'd like to know if Cissie is her real name. Is there any information giving details of her Roche family (location, siblings) and what she did as a member of Cumannn na Mban.
There may be a copy in the Enniscorthy Library.....any help would be really appreciated. i am in England so can't look up anything re the book. Any information about the name 'Cissie' could help me trace birth, marriage records. Thankyou. Geraldine96 

Wexford / Help Trace my grandmother Bridget Mary Roche - RESULT
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 16:48 BST (UK)  »
I posted this message in 2016 around September time. I want to inform RootsChat that I have found my grandmother it's September again and 2 years later, that's how long I have spent searching!
I started off in the wrong County - I thought she came from Waterford but switched County when Ancestry DNA matches came in  indicating Wexford.
Rootschatter Calcinare picked out the correct 'Roche' family as far back as 2016, at the time I couldn't believe this was my family as the names seemed so unlikely ie Anty and jane.
I had 2 DNA matches on Ancestry that had ROCHE relatives and one of these matches had Roches from Ferns. As I became better at searching I found that my 'supposed' Roche family lived next door to the Roche family from this DNA match -  which was an interesting coincidence.
Two weeks ago I went to Ireland and in the days leading up to my visit I found a lot of records relating to Thomas Roche (1869-1952), he was the only one of my 3 'supposed' Roche relatives I could find records for. I went to Ferns and was introduced to 93 year old Mary who lived in Thomas' former cottage (address found on his civil death record and Irish Volunteer pension record). Mary's amazing memory gave me the names of some of Thomas' relatives. When I got back to England I searched Ancestry and Irishgeneology for a week but couldn't trace the names until I was looking through the family tree of my DNA match whose relatives (3 generations back) came from Ferns. On her tree I spotted the person Mary had spoken of - 2 years of searching was over, here was the confirmation that our families shared the same DNA (Thomas Roche, his sister Jane and Jane's daughter, Bridget)    Bridget, daughter of Jane Roche born 1885 Enniscorthy Workhouse was in fact my grandmother.  Thanks Rootschat and Calcinare!!

Ireland / Re: Births and daily life in the Enniscorthy Workhouse/can anyone help?
« on: Thursday 18 January 18 16:57 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the info Sinnan and Hallmark. That's extremely useful for everyone tryng to trace Irish ancestors.
 I can look forward to more easy to access original 'images' of records; hooray! I might finally work out my Irish background...Really good info from Rootschat..Glad I turned to you for help. Thanks Geraldine96

Ireland / Re: Births and daily life in the Enniscorthy Workhouse/can anyone help?
« on: Tuesday 16 January 18 06:10 GMT (UK)  »
thankyou Hallmark, chinapaddy and Sinann
Re: the civil registers i have been looking at on Irish geneology; I meant the records that have an image, i haven't worked out how to access the records that refer you to volume and page (mostly earlier records).
Sinann, will the 'Ancestry' geneology site have the Catholic Parish Baptism records or do you think the National Library of Ireland is a better source. Geraldine96

Ireland / Re: Births and daily life in the Enniscorthy Workhouse/can anyone help?
« on: Monday 15 January 18 15:28 GMT (UK)  »
thankyou Hallmark, the workhouse description sounds even bleaker than I had imagined. Do you know if families spent the whole of their adult lives in the Workhouse or did they leave the workhouse and have to re- enter due to renewed poverty at a later date?
The extract suggests that people came and went rather than stay in the workhouse for a long time.

Ireland / Births and daily life in the Enniscorthy Workhouse/can anyone help?
« on: Monday 15 January 18 12:57 GMT (UK)  »

I have been checking civil birth records for the Enniscorthy Workhouse using Irish Geneology. All the records I have looked at start from the early 1800s. I have noticed that many of these birth records  only provide the names of the mothers. Can a knowledgeable roots chatter explain why some Workhouse records don't have the father's name and 'the occupier' George Mcguire is always the person listed as 'present at the birth'.
Are these children illegitimate? Usually birth records state 'illegitimate'                                       Are there Catholic parish baptismal records that go with the civil records of Workhouse births?
I have discovered that the entries and departures from Enniscorthy Workhouse are lost and the only paperwork you can read are the 'minutes'. These papers show that Workhouse children were often adopted or fostered by families around Enniscorthy.
Would young adolescent men and female workhouse inmates be sent to work outside of the workhouse walls as cheap labour or were they strictly confined to the Workhouse premises?

I am living in England so all the information I have found regarding Wexford is from the internet, I haven't found any websites that describe 'life' in the Workhouse at Enniscorthy but hope I'll find a Wexford based roots chatter that has all the answers. I believe visitors to Enniscorthy can do tours of the Workhouse - hopefully one day I'll manage to do this. Thankyou for any help, any links to a good website or a book on the Workhouse would also be really appreciated. Geraldine96

Ireland / Re: Help Trace My Grandmother Bridget Mary Roche
« on: Friday 20 January 17 05:57 GMT (UK)  »
thanks wexflyer; I like the comment about not being recorded at all! That answers another of my questions about the census. Sometimes you just can't find records of the people you are looking for...

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