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Antrim / Re: Thomas Patrick McGuinness and Catherine/Katherine Smyth
« on: Saturday 23 December 17 10:04 GMT (UK)  »
Robyn,

we have messaged before.  I am Mary's Grandson, Brian.  If you look at my tree, I have managed to find out a bit more about the Smyth side but not very much.  However, I have not been able to trace Catherine's Uncles family.  Would be interesting to find some living relatives on that side to see what more can be found out.

If you want I have copies of the birth records for all the McGuinness children, as well as the marriage record for Thomas and Kate, and Thomas' Death record

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The Common Room / Re: Watson/Nix and Barrett - COMPLETED
« on: Monday 02 January 17 06:13 GMT (UK)  »
Mary could be
Mary Ann Nix
1805–1858
BIRTH ABT. 1805 • St. Ives, Huntingdonshire, England
DEATH 1858

Father Waddelow Nix
1776–1832
BIRTH 10 SEP 1776 • Coveney, Cambridgeshire, England
DEATH 1832 • St. Ives, Huntingdonshire, England

Mother Mary Anne Wasdale
1780–1846
BIRTH 1780 • St Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
DEATH JUL 1846 • St. Ives, Huntingdonshire, England

Thomas Edward Watson
1807–1859
BIRTH ABT. 1807 • New Bottle, Durham, England
DEATH 11 MAR 1859 • St Ives Hall, Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
husband of 3rd great-aunt

If you have access to Ancestry see  my Tree "Brian Gilbert Family Tree"  Mary Ann was the sister to my 2 x Great Grandfather John Nix.

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Down / Re: Matthew smith born around 1889 clontonakelly
« on: Saturday 31 December 16 10:07 GMT (UK)  »
Bisjam,

I have seen somewhere that the Workhouse records for NI are available from PRONI if you visit in person.  Have you asked them if they hold the ones for Olivet Home?

Interestingly Georges wife's mother was also a Smyth.  I have posted a request for ideas on the ANTRIM page, to see what more can be found out about her and her husband who both lived in the Falls are of Belfast in the 1890's.

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Antrim / Thomas Patrick McGuinness and Catherine/Katherine Smyth
« on: Saturday 31 December 16 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
I am seeking help on my Great Grandfather and Grandmother

Thomas Patrick McGuinness b. est 1858 in Ireland (county unknown) and d. 26 Sep 1893 in Belfast.
Catherine/Katherine Smyth.  b. est. 1860 in Manchester? and d. 27 Sept 1936 in Sydney Aust.

Thomas' Father as listed on his marriage Certificate was John McGuinness - Labourer who had died before his marriage in 1885.  I have no details of his mother.

I have marriage, and death certificates from GRONI, as well as birth certificates for his 5 children.

Before his marriage he is listed as living at 8 Marys St Belfast.  Based on the PRONI Street directories for Belfast he was not listed at Mary St in 1884 (but could have been a boarder), but there is also a Marys Place shown but no names shown for the houses.  After the Marriage he was living at 103 Leeson St and is in the 1887 directory.

The only John M'Guinness in the 1884 Directory is a clothes dealer which does not match his father. And no Johns or Thomas' in the 1880 directories which suggests they were not in Antrim before 1885.

I have scourered the available records but cannot find anything that provides a definite match for him, so any suggestions on where to search would be appreciated.

The family was Catholic so there may also be church records if I can find the correct names/dates.

His wife Catherine was born, according to death records, in Manchester, but it is believed her father at least was Irish.  While I have reasonable records for her (except birth), I am seeking birth/death records for her parents, especially her father who also died before the marriage.  He is listed as a shoemaker.

She lived prior to the marriage at 162 Leeson St, which was her brothers house, but not sure when they arrived in Belfast, and cannot be located in earlier directories.

Again any suggestions for searches would be much appreciated.

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Down / Re: Matthew smith born around 1889 clontonakelly
« on: Saturday 31 December 16 04:21 GMT (UK)  »
Bisjam,

what country are you friends from.  I am in Australia,  My Grandfather came over in 1912.

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Down / Re: Matthew smith born around 1889 clontonakelly
« on: Saturday 31 December 16 04:12 GMT (UK)  »
My uncle managed to get copies of actual Orphanage records for 1902 and 1904 (attached).  The 1904 record shows the birth date (month only, not day).

Matthew is register number 5 while my grandfather is number 6.

I have attached copies along with a history of the Olivet Home that may be of interest.

It is interesting to note the 1902 records show the "School" as opening in July 1902, but obviously both boys were resident in 1901 and the orphanage in some form was opened in about 1884 based on the history.  Maybe there was a change of Administration in 1902.

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Down / Re: Matthew smith born around 1889 clontonakelly
« on: Friday 30 December 16 08:41 GMT (UK)  »
Bisjam,

I also have an ancestor (my Grandfather) who was a resident of Olivet Home, George Gilbert.

I have some additional records from the home that show Matthew's Birth as 09/89.

Have you discovered any further information since the original Post?

I have been trying to find a source for Olivet records but no success at the moment.  I would like to get the records for Georges original admission as I suspect the birth county listed in the Census may be inaccurate.

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