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United States of America / Re: Thomas Clark marriage Michigan about 1840
« on: Monday 20 March 17 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Have you ruled out Thomas Clark m Mary Shannon 17 March 1840 in Bathurst, Ontario? (from familysearch)
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Old portrait painting c.1817 - Please date J J Cumming and Wife
« on: Thursday 16 March 17 11:25 GMT (UK) »
There is a difference in knowing the exact line of descent and being a descendant of the original owners.
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Old portrait painting c.1817 - Please date J J Cumming and Wife
« on: Thursday 16 March 17 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Wurding,
I found on ancestry an old forum you posted on. Another poster uploaded pictures of Cummings' military record that he completed. Not sure where the mix-up occurred, but he enlisted in 1805 as an "Ensign," which is, to the best of my knowledge, a naval title.
In any event, I want to clarify that my opinion speaks only to the depiction. That is, I am assuming it is on period paper and so forth, and not a photocopy. And, my analysis of the people are also based on the depiction. That is, if you believe Cummings was living in poverty, then that portrait is not of him.
It is possible that one of the children you mentioned died, which is why there is only one in the painting. Do you have the provenance of the portrait? IE, can you connect the woman to whom it belongs to Cummings & his wife?
I found on ancestry an old forum you posted on. Another poster uploaded pictures of Cummings' military record that he completed. Not sure where the mix-up occurred, but he enlisted in 1805 as an "Ensign," which is, to the best of my knowledge, a naval title.
In any event, I want to clarify that my opinion speaks only to the depiction. That is, I am assuming it is on period paper and so forth, and not a photocopy. And, my analysis of the people are also based on the depiction. That is, if you believe Cummings was living in poverty, then that portrait is not of him.
It is possible that one of the children you mentioned died, which is why there is only one in the painting. Do you have the provenance of the portrait? IE, can you connect the woman to whom it belongs to Cummings & his wife?
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Old portrait painting c.1817 - Please date J J Cumming and Wife
« on: Wednesday 15 March 17 12:50 GMT (UK) »
This type of portrait was not official, so he would have worn whatever he liked. The couple pictured are slightly prosperous, if painted accurately. The marble topped table, coupled with the lace and intricacies of the woman's clothing & her jewelry, all indicate so.
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Old portrait painting c.1817 - Please date J J Cumming and Wife
« on: Wednesday 15 March 17 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Also...he's in the navy, not the army. Hence the blue coat.
http://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/researchers/research-guides/research-guide-u1-uniforms-national-maritime-museum-collection
http://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/researchers/research-guides/research-guide-u1-uniforms-national-maritime-museum-collection
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Old portrait painting c.1817 - Please date J J Cumming and Wife
« on: Wednesday 15 March 17 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Several things point to its authenticity. Not only the detail of the costume, but the interiors...everything is correct for the period from the carpet to the wall panelling to the furniture. Look at the small marble topped side table. Delightful. I think this is so charming. Oh, please try and get it restored. It is somewhat amateurish but surprisingly good nonetheless. Look at the baby--it looks like an actual child instead of an adult's face on a little body. The detail of the clothing is there, the jewelry, chair leg shadows, everything. I love it. Without knowing the date on the back, I'd say it was 1815 or so, so there you go. If you can locate the birth record of the child you could add one or two years and arrive at the exact date, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was 1817.
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Europe / Re: French birth records circa 1730
« on: Wednesday 08 March 17 23:46 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much. I am still working my way through all of the links you provided. You are awesome!
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United States of America / Re: Eliza [Warle / Woll?] Palmer Wood ~1792-1825 immigrant PA & VA
« on: Sunday 05 March 17 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Aw shucks. No, no need to credit me. It's called spreading research karma.
However, I urge you not to get too excited.
A George Palmer & Eliza Wall had a son who moved to Massachusetts and whose descendants are fairly well documented. Their story is similar to yours--Eliza was born in Spain to English citizens. However, their George Palmer Sr., a printer, died in New Orleans in 1817. I found his estate papers on ancestry (George Palmer, late of Philadelphia) and they went on for over 30 pages. No relations were mentioned and there was a snippet from a petitioner saying that there was "no wife or other relations known in the city." Of course, George & Eliza could have been estranged and Eliza was going about as a widow...or you have the wrong people. It is odd that Eliza's son would have been raised in Massachusetts while she moved down to Virginia...or there could be a perfectly plausible explanation.
If you'd like to PM me with more details, I may be able to help you further. But kudos to you--I couldn't find the ship manifest of which you speak!
However, I urge you not to get too excited.
A George Palmer & Eliza Wall had a son who moved to Massachusetts and whose descendants are fairly well documented. Their story is similar to yours--Eliza was born in Spain to English citizens. However, their George Palmer Sr., a printer, died in New Orleans in 1817. I found his estate papers on ancestry (George Palmer, late of Philadelphia) and they went on for over 30 pages. No relations were mentioned and there was a snippet from a petitioner saying that there was "no wife or other relations known in the city." Of course, George & Eliza could have been estranged and Eliza was going about as a widow...or you have the wrong people. It is odd that Eliza's son would have been raised in Massachusetts while she moved down to Virginia...or there could be a perfectly plausible explanation.
If you'd like to PM me with more details, I may be able to help you further. But kudos to you--I couldn't find the ship manifest of which you speak!
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Europe / Re: French birth records circa 1730
« on: Saturday 04 March 17 01:10 GMT (UK) »
That's another thing I don't understand...the website is "national archives" yet doesn't it seem as though all the entries are from Paris? If you were an apprentice elsewhere in the country would those records be in Paris or elsewhere? Why were the notary records not burned in the fire?
Just thinking aloud. I have not been able to find the answers anywhere. So frustrating!
Just thinking aloud. I have not been able to find the answers anywhere. So frustrating!