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John died in 1856 from the GRO site

Huddersfield
March Q
1856
Vol 9 a
Page 235
Age 72

Hi Gibel,
Iíve been in lengthy conversation with the man who wrote the Huddersfield Exposed page and he said he made the assumption between the two being brothers but didnít actually have any info proving it.  Thanks for all your help!

Iíll think Iíll close this topic as I believe (as Will is godfather of Johnís children- from new info) William is related to John.
Thanks for all your time and help- I really appreciate it.
EB

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The Bond and/or Allegation for this marriage have survived.  They are housed at the Borthwick Institute in York - https://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/

Added:  order form -  http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form

There is no evidence that he made a will.  Again records are housed at the Borthwick.

Thanks for all your help!
Iíll try Borthwick for the license application.

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St. Patrick's.

While you make enquiries at the local record or archive office about the marriage license find out if John Lombardini left a will, he died between 1851 and 1861 census. He may name his  male relative as executor.

Thanks for all your help. Turns out they didnít hold the marriage license application. Iíll try Borthwick.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / Re: John Baptiste LOMBARDINI- Huddersfield
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 07:12 GMT (UK)  »
Marriage Licenses if they survive are often at your local record/archive office.

I found the marriage on ancestry they married at St. Patrick's Cathedral so you could ask the church
if they retained items like these or have other records that might be useful.

The "Suthers" family are also connected or are very good friends. The Godmother of Maria the eldest daughter was Mary Suthers and the witnesses to the marriage of John and Mary are William Suthers and M could be Mrs. Suthers.

The priest was a John Fitzpatrick did he keep his own personal records of events he officiated?

Thanks so much for your time and help,

I had no idea that William was the godfather, this is awesome information.
Iíll go check with St Patrickís to see if they have any surviving.

Thank you once again!
EB

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Other Countries / Re: SWITZERLAND: John Baptiste LOMBARDINI
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 07:08 GMT (UK)  »
In 1841 he is living with a possible brother William Lombardini  age 35 also born in Foreign Parts.   In 1851 and 1861 William is listed as born in Italy   

William marries Frances Maria Percy in 1843 in Huddersfield.   I can't see the marriage online at the moment but an Anc tree lists his father as Bernardo Camillo Lombardini  :-\

Kay

Hi Kay,

Yes that would be my ancestry tree. I put it there so I could search for records but nothing has emerged yet. My ancestor William has a father called Bermarito/Bernardo/Bernardito (I have Williamís marriage cert but canít really make out the name).
Iíve looked at all the censuses, directories and nothing has come up- except that John Baptiste was in business with a man named Bernardo Camillo Lombardini until 1825.

Thatís why Iím looking for John Baptisteís birth record to see if there is a connection.

Thanks for your time,
EB

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / Re: John Baptiste LOMBARDINI- Huddersfield
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 06:40 GMT (UK)  »
1836 was before civil registration so no fathers name mentioned when they married Huddersfield 27 October 1836.

They did marry by license, should the license application still exist you might get clues from that.

Thanks for your quick response.
How would I go about finding the license application?

EB

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Other Countries / SWITZERLAND: John Baptiste LOMBARDINI
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 05:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I have a possible ancestor, a John Baptiste Lombardini who lived in Huddersfield, Yorkshire until his death in 1856.
The 1841 England census has him being born in foreign parts and the 1851 Census has his place of birth being listed in Switzerland.
Unfortunately I have no more information about where in Switzerland he was born, and I'm trying to find as much info as I can so I can find the name of his father and mother.
He was born in approx. 1785.

Thanks for your time,
EB

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Completed Requests / John Baptiste LOMBARDINI- Huddersfield
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 05:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

Trying to piece a connection between my ancestor William Lombardini and a possible brother in John Baptiste Lombardini. The marriage certificate of John Baptiste is what I'm looking for to establish a father's name.

Just a few details about John.
He was born in Switzerland in approx. 1785 and died in Huddersfield in Jan 1856.
He was a carver and gilder by trade and appeared a lot in the Huddersfield directory and newspaper.
He married Mary Sutcliffe in 1836.

If there is a father's name mentioned or found, that would be awesome!

Thank you for your time and efforts,
EB

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Europe / Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« on: Thursday 07 February 19 05:32 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all again,

I think I've changed my mind.

I'm now beginning to think that John-Baptiste and William were in fact brothers. My reasoning is this.
I have William's marriage cert- the one piece of info I know to be him. It lists an occupation as 'carver and gilder', a residence in Bath Buildings (1843), Huddersfield and a deceased father with a name starting with B. I've had several people transcribe it as Bermarita, Bernardito, Bernardo and a few have said the least likely name is Bermarita.
So, going on the possibility the name is Bernardito/Bernardo.
A William Lombardini (birthplace Italy) is in the same residence (not just building) as a John Lombardini (b. Italy) and a wife named Mary and 3 daughters. This is confirmed to be John-Baptiste later as the wife and daughters names are the same.
There also is no other record for a William Lombardini in that area.

So, why would William and John-Baptiste be living together, if they weren't family?

Both William and John-Baptiste were carvers and gilders, however I haven't found record of them working together. John-Baptiste, did in fact work with a Bernardo Camillo Lombardini. Perhaps he is the father, due to the similarity of the names. The partnership of John-Baptiste and B.C Lombardini was dissolved in 1825 according to the Birmingham journal, perhaps after B.C's death?

William goes bankrupt in 1848 and his daughter is supposedly a loose woman, of which his sister-in-law Mary wants nothing to do with her.

Perhaps after the father died, the two brothers were driven apart?

EB

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