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Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Very good Tetley, that's a new wan on me kid!  ;D


I want to include a few of my Dad's favourite song's on his page on the family tree.  I believe it went to the tune of Yankee Doodle or something highly similar.  I Google the lyrics a couple of times but Google had not heard of this song.  However, I have recalled another verse.  It is funny how discussions will propmt memories.

I have tried to capture my Dad's pronunciation to the best of my recollection.  Jacket should be pronounced more like jaykit.

McGuinty went tae Aberdeen, McPherson did invite him,
But when he landed on the dock he wanted first tae fight him.
McGuinty couldnae fight at aw, his mind was in a quandry,
He couldna tak his jacket aff, his shurt was in the laundry

It has just come to me that my dad really enjoyed the Boy Scouts and camping.  Campfire songs were his favourite part of the camping. I wonder if some of the funny songs he sang came from the jamborees. 

Now, back to the Broomielaw.  Given the police notes on the destitute in this section, I think it is unlikely that Patrick Clark's lodging housekeeping was done in the residence.  However, after studying the map, I see that there were three Hotels all within the immediate vicinity of the Buchanan Court where 16 Broomielaw was situated according to the census. 

Given that Patrick Clark was listed as a soldier and Chelsea Pensioner I presume he served in the military prior to his time at the Broomielaw.  So I hope to find some record of this.

Patrick Clark has a daughter Jane who married Joseph Rae.  They had a son named William who married Unity Quigley.   Twelve of the people who have turned up as DNA matches to me descend from William Rae and Unity Quigley through five of their eight children.  So they are all descendants of the Broomielaw's Patrick Clark. 


Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 06:42 BST (UK)  »
@ Tetley, the Glasgow expression "A honey fur the dunnie!" speaks for itself!  ;D


LOL.  I had to think about that for a second. 

Thinking of the Broomielaw and old Scottish expressions, I recalled an old tune my father used to sing when we went on road trips.  We were living in Canada, but he would use his broadest Scottish accent when singing these songs.  One of the tunes I think was about a man hearing some fanciful tales from a bird,  Maybe the fellow had been drinking.  This was a long time ago but as best I remember one of the verses, it went as follows:

McGuinty was a sportin' chap, he bet a man a fiver,
That he'd jump o'er Jamaica Bridge like Tammy (Tommy) Burns the diver.
But all the folks on the Broomielaw kicked up an awfa shinty,
When he fell doon the funnel o' the tugboat number twenty.

Indeed I do now see many tugboats in the old images of the Broomielaw. I also also read of Tommy Bruns, the diver, who did dive off Jamaica briddge.

Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Saturday 28 September 19 07:50 BST (UK)  »
@ Tetley T.  Dunnies in Glasgow, cellars/basements.  ;D


Ah, of course.  Al of a sudden I had a recollection of my parents once or twice jokingly refer to the basement of our house as "the dunnie." 

I am pondering whether Patrick Clark's position as a lodging housekeeper was at 16 Broomielaw or if he lived there for 20+ years and worked at a nearby lodge of some sort.  From what I have now read, I do not get the impression that housekeeping services would have been at that address.

Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Friday 27 September 19 18:34 BST (UK)  »
Superb thread, great pic's! Did the tour of Central Station last week which includes a visit to the dunnies under the station & the old street lay-out. We got down as far as the Heilanman's Umbrella, sadly not the roof! The Central covers what was the village of Grahamston of which only two buildings still exist, one being the "Grant Arms" pub.
 Book online, cost about 13.


That would be cool.  I have not been in Scotland since I was a young child and would very much like to go and explore the history there. 

What are dunnies?

Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Thursday 26 September 19 05:22 BST (UK)  »
It has been a while since 16 Broomielaw was discussed, but I am posting here hoping there might still be some posters around.  This turns out to be a significant address on my family tree.

I was finally able to make some progress on one family line when I found my 4th great grandfather's name was listed as Patrick on documents rather that Peter as was listed on one of his children's marriage registrations.  Patrick Clark was born between 1790-and 1800 in Ireland.  He had at least two daughters, born in the 1930's in Castlewellan, County Down, Ireland, and possibly one son.  His occupation was listed as a Gentleman's Servant.  Somewhere before 1851 he moved to Glasgow, Scotland with his wife and children, and his daughters married two brothers in Glasgow in 1855.  In 1851, Patrick Clark was listed as being a soldier and Chelsea Pensioner, but I have no information on his military service.  He was also noted as being a lodging house keeper at 16 Broomielaw, Buchanan Court.  He lived there with his wife and he remained there in that position until his death in 1873.

I thought I would Google that address to see if I could find out more of his background and this thread is what I found.

Down / Re: Elizabeth McCartney b.1813 lived in Belfast area
« on: Thursday 18 May 17 13:28 BST (UK)  »
Hi, The Ulster Historical Foundation shows a marriage of a Joseph Rea to Elizabeth McCartney in 1822 in Co. Down. To get more information you have to pay. See


Thank you.  I thought I had tried all the possible databases, but must have missed that one.  It is likely that is them.  I am thinking maybe the estimate of Elizabeth's birthdate is a little bit off.  I might have confused the calculation with that of another Elizabeth M. from Ireland at the same time period in a different branch.

Down / Elizabeth McCartney b.1813 lived in Belfast area
« on: Thursday 18 May 17 09:36 BST (UK)  »
I would like to find Elizabeth McCartney.

Her name appears on the marriage certificate of her son Joseph Rae who married Jane Clark in Glasgow in 1855.  Her spouse was also named Joseph Rae.  The marriage certificate notes that her son was born and registered in Belfast.  Likewise, her son's wife was from Northern Ireland.  She was born and registered in Castlewellan, County Down.  The marriage of the children took place in the Church of Scotland, but there seems to be some switching back and forth from Catholic to Protestant in that line of the family.  The Rae's sometimes used Rea, and the men named Joseph sometimes used William.  I do not have much about Elizabeth McCartney and Joseph Rae themselves, but I would like to be able to find more about them and possibly trace back to their parents.

Selkirkshire / Re: researching McPake.
« on: Thursday 18 May 17 04:58 BST (UK)  »
   :)I have some information to the McPake family for you.
My Great Grandfather (Charles Hunter Beattie) was married to a Mary McPake around 1859 in Selkirk, Scotland. Her father was Michael McPake b1811 Ireland. He was married to a Elizabeth Miller b1813 East Lothian, Dunbar, Scotland. His father Lawrence McPake b1780 in Scotland. I may have more on this as I search my tree. He married a Mary Conway b 1797 Scotland. They also had a daughter call Rose McPake b1823 in Ireland. She married a James Gallagher b1825 also in Ireland.
There is also a census statement as follows: The 5th Ward In The City Of Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA1860
They had a son John b1856 :)

I am researching this line.  The only reference I have found online to Mary Conway and Lawrence McPake was in your post.  Based on the other details, I am certain this is the same line I am searching.  Have you been able to go back beyond this couple at all?  I cannot seem to find any listing of them anywhere until there appear in the 1851 Scotland Census.  I am also searching for Elizabeth Miller's parents, but have had no luck so far.

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