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Aberdeenshire / Re: DIVORTY family - Huguenot refugees?
« on: Monday 26 February 24 04:24 GMT (UK)  »
I know this is an old thread.  However, I just broke down a brick wall and a found a Divorty ancestor a generation beyond that.  Katherine Divvorty was one of my 5th great grandmothers.  She was born 1747 in Premnay, Aberdeen and married Robert Alexander in 1768 in Insch, Aberdeen.

Once I discovered that ancestor, I searched for more information on the surname because it was not a familiar one to me.  Since there was some discussion here about early records for that surname, I thought I would share one reference that I came across.  It is a free Google Books copy of the Register of the Privy Council 1619-1622.  One of the 1619 entries on page 137 mentions a George Divortie of Essilmonth (Aberdeen).  George is an adult by then, so must have been born in the late 1500s.

A complaint was made by another man that  George Divortie  "set upon him, and cruellie and unmercifullie invaidit and persewit him of his lyff with a durke, and thairwith gaif him tua grite straikis and woundis in the head and ane in the small of his bak ." The said George Divortie then went to his own house, and "brocht furth thairof ane hagbute in his hand and a pair of pistollettis about him," intending to kill the complainer; and he wore these weapons on his person for eight days, "and lay at await for the said Thomas Greig about his house, sua that for just feir of his lyff he durst not come furth of his house ."


https://books.google.ca/books?id=8h05AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=divortie+aberdeen&source=bl&ots=F7fE8fGwp6&sig=ACfU3U2ygFrcopRSm5mIwK9AaZe2SBTV3w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjGi8-QjsiEAxVjHNAFHWREC8EQ6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q=divortie%20aberdeen&f=false

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Smith and Finlayson of Haddington etc.
« on: Monday 18 July 22 00:15 BST (UK)  »
I'm currently transcribing the parish records of Haddington for FreeReg covering the 17th and 18th century  It might be helpful for you to know that Finlayson and Miller are both very common names in Haddington in this period, with Finlayson usually spelled as Finlasone.
Bev

That is great.  It is always wonderful to hear of more records being transcribed.  Thank you for that alternate spelling.  I will keep that one in mind, too. 

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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Smith and Finlayson of Haddington etc.
« on: Saturday 16 July 22 05:26 BST (UK)  »
I came across this board while researching a Robert Millar, saddler in Haddington, born about 1790.  I am not sure if I have the right baptismal entry for him or not.  However, I notice the witnesses were a Mungo Finlayson and William Begbie.  There are a couple of other Millar children born to a John Millar and Mary Watt (or Wyatt) with the same witnesses.  I wondered if they were in some way related to Katherine Millar who married Mungo Finlayson.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Chocolate and Biscuit factories in Glasgow in 1919
« on: Friday 05 February 21 07:34 GMT (UK)  »
You mentioned dancing:  My grandfather worked for a large English benevolent company and his daughters learnt to swim and dance (Grecian dancing !! )  at the company's facilities. I think it may also  have been likely that the biscuit company held dance classes.

Well, that is a very interesting and completely new idea to me. Working on some pictures with a relative, we began to suspect maybe two siblings also took some lessons. This would make sense then.  I must see what I can dig up on what some of the companies close to their home had available.  All this really helps explain how this family, who I do not think were particularly well-off, seemed to fare better than some other ancestor lines.  I have a whole different possible perspective on the work life of this great grandfather now.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Chocolate and Biscuit factories in Glasgow in 1919
« on: Friday 05 February 21 02:34 GMT (UK)  »
Oh, thank you!  That is much appreciated. 

Since you have to buy Scotland's People documents individually, I plan carefully for my purchases and usually prioritize my direct line.  However, I have bought some of my grandfather's siblings recently, knowing each might contain more information on my great grandfather. 

The family seemed to move such that each child was born in a different location within the Glasgow area.  My great grandfather's occupation changed over time, too.  I have found that his occupation was first listed as a woodyard labourer or wood sawyer.  Then he was a warehouse labourer.  The next document listed him as a biscuit factory worker.  There was a six year gap before the next child was born  By then (1919 - when my great aunt was born) my great grandfather was living on Adelphi and was listed as a baker-jouneyman.  To be a journeyman, I can probably guess he had moved to do learn this trade sometime in that six year gap. That child's birth certificate also showed his rank in the military.  This was the first time I had been aware he served in the military.  But I noticed in one of the links you sent there was information about the men of the bakery doing military service, so that fit together. 

I have a postcard sent from France, from the daughter born 1919, addressed to my great grandfather at the same place on Adelphi.  The postcard was sent in 1939.  I found a directory for around that time where my great grandfather was listed as a baker.  So, I know he lived at the same address near the bakery (and other bakeries) for 20 years and worked as a baker for that duration. 

My great grandmother is said to have abandoned the family, possibly to pursue a life on stage.  The daughter born 1919 was in Paris because she had trained as a dancer and was at the
Folies Bergère.  I had wondered initially how a woodyard labourer had paid for all the dance lessons.   Then when I found he became a baker, I wondered what sort of bakery company would be able to employ a man for over 20 years, allow him time for military services, and pay a steady enough wage for him to pay for dance lessons.  (I wonder who cared for the children while he did military service.)  In any case, going through the links has given me a much better sense of how these pieces of my grandfather's life may have fit together.

I do like each person on the tree to be more than just a name and date.  Understanding these sorts of details about the context of their lives really helps fill out the picture. 

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Lanarkshire / Re: Chocolate and Biscuit factories in Glasgow in 1919
« on: Thursday 04 February 21 08:04 GMT (UK)  »
MoniaL, it has been a while since you posted but the links were very useful.  My great grandfather was a worker in a biscuit factory in Glasgow.  For some reason, I imagined maybe on an assembly type line stamping cookies.  It was only recently when a 1919 birth certificate for his youngest child became available that I saw he was listed as a baker-journeyman.  Then in two directories which I have since dug up, I found him listed as a baker.  I wanted to see where he might have been a baker at a biscuit factory.  I did some Googling and this tread turned up with the links.  I was interested to look at the listings on your links and find an old map of Glasgow to see what might have been near the address he lived at for many years.  I wondered if I might narrow it down this way.  To my surprise the first biscuit manufacturer was Adelphi Biscuit Factory located on Adelphi Street.  My great grandfather lived on Adelphi at an address which would have been in close proximity to the biscuit factory address for many years.  So, thank you for that link which turned up a most promising lead.

Biscuit Makers www.archive.org/stream/postofficeannual191112gla#page/1098/mode/2up

TetleyT

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Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Very good Tetley, that's a new wan on me kid!  ;D

Skoosh.

I want to include a few of my Dad's favourite song's on his page on the family tree.  I believe it went to the tune of Yankee Doodle or something highly similar.  I Google the lyrics a couple of times but Google had not heard of this song.  However, I have recalled another verse.  It is funny how discussions will propmt memories.

I have tried to capture my Dad's pronunciation to the best of my recollection.  Jacket should be pronounced more like jaykit.

McGuinty went tae Aberdeen, McPherson did invite him,
But when he landed on the dock he wanted first tae fight him.
McGuinty couldnae fight at aw, his mind was in a quandry,
He couldna tak his jacket aff, his shurt was in the laundry

It has just come to me that my dad really enjoyed the Boy Scouts and camping.  Campfire songs were his favourite part of the camping. I wonder if some of the funny songs he sang came from the jamborees. 

Now, back to the Broomielaw.  Given the police notes on the destitute in this section, I think it is unlikely that Patrick Clark's lodging housekeeping was done in the residence.  However, after studying the map, I see that there were three Hotels all within the immediate vicinity of the Buchanan Court where 16 Broomielaw was situated according to the census. 

Given that Patrick Clark was listed as a soldier and Chelsea Pensioner I presume he served in the military prior to his time at the Broomielaw.  So I hope to find some record of this.

Patrick Clark has a daughter Jane who married Joseph Rae.  They had a son named William who married Unity Quigley.   Twelve of the people who have turned up as DNA matches to me descend from William Rae and Unity Quigley through five of their eight children.  So they are all descendants of the Broomielaw's Patrick Clark. 

 

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Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Thursday 03 October 19 06:42 BST (UK)  »
@ Tetley, the Glasgow expression "A honey fur the dunnie!" speaks for itself!  ;D

Skoosh.

LOL.  I had to think about that for a second. 

Thinking of the Broomielaw and old Scottish expressions, I recalled an old tune my father used to sing when we went on road trips.  We were living in Canada, but he would use his broadest Scottish accent when singing these songs.  One of the tunes I think was about a man hearing some fanciful tales from a bird,  Maybe the fellow had been drinking.  This was a long time ago but as best I remember one of the verses, it went as follows:

McGuinty was a sportin' chap, he bet a man a fiver,
That he'd jump o'er Jamaica Bridge like Tammy (Tommy) Burns the diver.
But all the folks on the Broomielaw kicked up an awfa shinty,
When he fell doon the funnel o' the tugboat number twenty.

Indeed I do now see many tugboats in the old images of the Broomielaw. I also also read of Tommy Bruns, the diver, who did dive off Jamaica briddge.

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Lanarkshire / Re: 16 broomielaw......
« on: Saturday 28 September 19 07:50 BST (UK)  »
@ Tetley T.  Dunnies in Glasgow, cellars/basements.  ;D

Skoosh.

Ah, of course.  Al of a sudden I had a recollection of my parents once or twice jokingly refer to the basement of our house as "the dunnie." 

I am pondering whether Patrick Clark's position as a lodging housekeeper was at 16 Broomielaw or if he lived there for 20+ years and worked at a nearby lodge of some sort.  From what I have now read, I do not get the impression that housekeeping services would have been at that address.

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