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I'm coming up empty with the 61 and 71 census. I found a  Samuel Pindar in the 1841 census for Thwing. It has him at 20 years of age, which would make it a match. His listed trade or profession is indicated as what I believe is a "ML" (Manual Laborer?) I believe he's working on a farm owned or leased by a Thomas Vickerman. 
I tried finding anything on his children Charlotte and Jane, but have so far come up empty.
If this Samuel is really the son of John Pinder (1749-1823) of Kilham, perhaps he emigrated like his brother Stephen and William to Canada, but again, found nothing yet. (Maybe he went to the US).
I'm not convinced this Samuel is the Son of John Pinder and Mary Clark of Kilham. Seems a bit unlikely John had a child at the age of 67. Mary would have been 43. Not impossible but..

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I made a typo, which I have since corrected..Somewhere I put John when it should have been Samuel.
Also I have some dates wrong: 
The Baptism dates in the Kilham Parish Register of 1813-1891 and the The England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 are actually the same (has him baptized on born on March 4th, 1816)

Regarding the 1851 census: I came across a Samuel Pindar, which states was born in Kilham. It has Samuel as being 31 and an estimated birth year of 1820.  He is married at that time to a Francis Pindar, born in Burton Agnes, also 31. They have a daughter, Jane 8 yrs, and Charlotte 8 months. He is listed as an agricultural laborer. The Civil Parish of this Census was Haisthorpe .

This information does not align perfectly with the Samuel Pinder in the Kilham Parish Register of 1813-1891 where he is born on March 4th, 1816.

The  Burton Agnes Parish Registers has Samuel Pindar , aged 25, getting married to a Martha Sellar, in 1843 (aged 24, spinster) of Burton Agnes.  Strangely, there is an 8 year difference between the census year (1851) and the Burton Agnes marriage to Martha Sellar (1843). That is the age of their eldest child in the 1851 census, Jane Pinder.

So, you are saying that the Samuel Pinder was born in Kilham in 1816. That Francis and Martha are the same person?

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Missing information that would confirm these two individual are one and the same.

The Kilham Register of 1813-1891 has him baptized there on November 13th, 1820 . "Son of John and Mary Pinder"
I  also have a Samuel Pinder Baptized in Kilham on 4 March 1816 to a John Pinder & Mary from the  "England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"

The Burton Agnes Register has his Banns dated March 18th 1843,  a Samuel Pindar, son of John Pindar, farmer Pindar. It also states that he is from Burton Agnes, but I find no entry of his birth or baptism here.

Are these two people one and the same?

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Sculcoates Workhouse Infirmary
« on: Friday 06 April 18 22:38 BST (UK)  »
Thank you most kindly. How did you get that info., by the way?

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Sculcoates Workhouse Infirmary
« on: Friday 06 April 18 20:32 BST (UK)  »
A great-great Uncle was an "inmate" according to the 1911 census. He was 78 at the time. Probably died there. (William Pinder, B1833 • North Burton. Do not have a date when he passed away.) 
Wish I could visit, but to far away. Wonder if there was a headstone with his name on it?  You think the Hull History has an online archive with the information?

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Just in, a reply from The Treasure House in Beverley.
Unfortunately the bottom line is that they cannot find any information that will pinpoint the location of the plot of land.

"Dear Stephen

Thank you for your enquiry.

We hold a transcript of the Kilham enclosure award of 1773 which lists Foord Newton as being allotted five pieces of land of the following acreages.

24 acres 16 perches
21 acres 35 perches
52 acres 3 roods 9 perches
170 acres 2 roods 7 perches
21 acres 3 roods 14 perches

There are also two areas of land in the centre of the village on the enclosure plan, with the name Newton on but no acreages which are possibly areas of ancient enclosure not mentioned in the 1773 award.

The only reference to the surname Lamplugh was for one piece of land with the following acreage to Jane Lamplugh

7 acres 3 roods 10 perches

I could find no apparent mention of a John Pinder or an 127 acre plot owned by a William Lamplugh.

We do hold a copy of a tithe plan for 1844 but it appears to be for land owned by Beaumont Hotham in the occupation of James Hall, no other names are listed and it only covers part of Kilham.

The Land Tax assessments for Kilham 1783, 1787-1798, 1800-30, 1832 refer to the Newtons as owning land and John Pinder occupying it at various points, the sum of assessment only changes once and then remains constant, showing it to be the same land.

In 1783 John Pinder occupies land owned by the Reverend James Rudd for which the assessment sum is 9 shillings, the executors of Foord Newton have land occupied by Christopher Lamplough for which the assessment sum is 18 shillings.

By 1787 Isaac Newton is the owner and John Pinder the occupier, with the assessment sum of 18 shillings. This stays the same in 1788. From 1789 through to 1801 Isaac Newton and John Pinder are listed with an assessment sum of £1.4s.7d.

In 1802 the heirs of Isaac Newton and John are listed and from 1803-1816 Mrs Newton and John. From 1818-1820 Robert Newton is listed and John has disappeared. John reappears  between 1822 and 1825.

In 1821 and from 1826-1830 Robert Newton is listed with George Hardy as an occupier. The assessment rate has stayed at £1.4s.7d.

Unfortunately this Land Tax does not list the acreages of the land being assessed. It appears to show father and sons occupation periods, but unfortunately we do not have a plan which identifies the plot.

I hope this is of some help and interest.

Kind regards"

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I suspect it isn't the daughter.   She married a Richard Gibson in 1774 (at 13  :o )
Might be a different Jane Pinder altogether. There seem to be a lot of them around back then.

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Another piece of the puzzle. Feels like for every door I open, it's a room with another 5 doors.
Anyways, this seems to be the Will of William Watson dated Jan 1781. Not sure if it's the same William ( Newton) Watson mentioned in the Declaration of Matthew Lamplugh of Kilham, yeoman:
Finding No   DDX2003/8/12 .   Below, you will see there is a mention of a Jane Pinder. Could this be Jane (Beilby) Pinder, wife of John Pinder ?   The dates aren't right.. John would still be alive at that time, so why mention Jane Pinder and not him? But it gives a very good description of where the land is situated.


Level   Item
Finding No   DDX2003/10/1
Extent   1 item
Title   Copy probate of the will and codicil of William Watson of Kilham, yeoman
Date   [31 Jul 1779]
Description   Will dated 31 Jul 1779 Probate dated 2 Jan 1781 Bequests: My dwellinghouses and closes lying on south side of Kilham called Beck Closes or Lands and Clay Pit Close or Crosdale Dykes containing 59 acres farmed by Mathew Milner now occupied Peter Berriman in trust to Esther Watson, wife, until daughter Mary Watson reaches 21 years of age; then low room chamber and garret at east end of my house, which was occupied by Mars Cass and since by Jane Pinder, also one feather bed , bedding and furniture, 4 chairs, tea table, 2 large pewter dishes, 6 silver tea spoons marked 'S W', and an annuity of £10 to Esther Watson, wife; interest on £100 owed to Mary Rafton of Folkton, widow Witnesses: M Atkinson, E Ibbitson, Adam Ibbotson Codicil dated 21 Aug 1780 If his daughter should die before 21 years the property is bequeathed to Esther Watson, his wife

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I've tracked down a William Lamplugh. Seems to be married to a Margaret Danby. According to the 1851 census (Kilham, District 11a)  he was approximately 61 years old, and If I read the "Rank, Profession or Occupation" entry correctly, he has 1,040 acres and employed 12 laborers. That's a lot of land! I'm hoping it's one large parcel.  Still hunting .. will keep you posted.

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Man, these Lamplough's owned half of the county!  Browsing through the 1851 census and there is:
- Matthew -77 (farmer),
- Matthew - 45 (Farmer w 330 acres and 10 labourers, 
- Samuel - 30, Farmer 900 acres . Oh, and also employ's an Elizabeth Pinder (25) she is the daughter of John Pinder (1802-1842) & Alice Leadey (1802-1884) . (John being the son of John Pinder (1749-1843) & Mary Clark.
- Elizabeth- 66 Head of family
- James 28 Druggist and grocer ..
  And a few more.. all dwelling between 87 and 115 Middle Street.

And this is a different branch of the Lamplough family from William, who in 1851 has 1,040 acres !

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