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Dumfriesshire / Re: Deciphering Sasine dates, etc.
« on: Tuesday 20 June 17 21:07 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: imchad on Tuesday 20 June 17 20:30 BST (UK)
Hi, It was fairy common for the registration to be enacted after the possession took place, sometimes years. Often it was registered just prior to being sold or transferred again, because it had to be to keep it legal.  Deals were done on a handshake, legalities came later.

It pays to look at the full sasine because these anomalies might be explained.
Ian

I understand it was common for the handshake transfer to occur years before the legal transfer---that's the problem with this example. The legal transfer appears first (1796) followed by the handshake possession (three years later, 1799). Thus my question about whether or not my definitions are correct:
  • Seized = handshake
  • on Disp. = official/legal transfer

The original is on file in Edinburgh, which I've been told can only be viewed in person (i.e., is not available online). Unfortunately, I'm in the U.S., so.... Not an option. :::drats:::

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Deciphering Sasine dates, etc.
« on: Tuesday 20 June 17 20:00 BST (UK)  »
The language is what has me confused. My initial understanding was:
  • "Seized" = took possession/began using the land, even though legal transfer wasn't yet complete
  • "on Disposition" = legal transfer of legal ownership
Following that logic, the dates don't work in chronological order:
  • July 22 1796 ... David Maxwell legal transferred ownership to James Baxter
  • July 5 1799 ... James seized (began using) the land prior to owning it

Do I have "seized" and "on Disp." reversed in my mind? Seems they must be, logically (either that, or my understanding of "seized" is out of kilter).

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Original graves at St. Helen's in Stapleford...?
« on: Sunday 18 June 17 01:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annie65115 on Saturday 17 June 17 21:45 BST (UK)
Yes, I'd check the Melbourne burial register next . do you know where William or Elizabeth was born? I see that in the 1841 census, E was born 'not in county'.

Not a clue. I'm working my way backward, in hopes of figuring that out.

When married, William and Elizabeth's banns showed both as being from Melbourne parish, but that could have been for the month, or for their entire lives. There were a number of Summerfields in the area, so hopefully, notes from my recent visit will help locate her parents. As for her death, however---can't find a paper trail after 1841.

Pinning down a specific Jackson family for William may be quite a process; lots of Jacksons in the area. With luck, he and Elizabeth stayed true to the naming tradition, which would at least give me breadcrumbs to follow (i.e., sons named after grandfathers).

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Dumfriesshire / Deciphering Sasine dates, etc.
« on: Sunday 18 June 17 00:06 BST (UK)  »
    On a recent visit to the lovely Ewart Library in Dumfries, I was able to dig up three sasine entries for my 4x great grandfather, James Baxter. Now that I'm home, citing and transcribing all of this into Evernote, I need a little help deciphering a few details. In the attached example:

    • Aug 3 1799 -- I assume this is the date the completed transaction was registered with the county
    • July 5 1799 -- The date the transaction concluded...?
    • July 22 1796 -- Okay...guessing this is either the date James and David Maxwell committed to the transaction -or- the day Mr. Maxwell originally took possession of said ground...?

    Please correct me if I'm wrong (which may very well be the case).

    My other question:
     
    • What does on Disp. mean?

    One little paragraph, so many queries. ;)

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Original graves at St. Helen's in Stapleford...?
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 18:41 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: larkspur on Saturday 17 June 17 12:55 BST (UK)
Same for me Annie, Zilch  :(

I deeply appreciate you both looking.

Here in the Plains, it wasn't uncommon for families to bury their loved ones on private land, but...they were farming large homestead tracts, which is quite different from a family living on Turnpike Road in Stapleford. Any guesses as to what other options may have been available for burial at that time? I'm stumped.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Original graves at St. Helen's in Stapleford...?
« on: Saturday 17 June 17 01:12 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annie65115 on Friday 16 June 17 23:25 BST (UK)
I think Larkspur's resource may be a bit more recent than mine, but my disc is not coming up with much at all for your William.

I can't see any marriages in countrry between a William Jackson and Elizabeth Summerfield.
With respect to Baptisms, there are 3 at St Helen's that could be theirs:
Thomas (1826)
James (Dec 1828)
and another James (Nov 1831)
In each of these, William's occ is given as FWK.

There is a burial for 2 year old James Jackson in Oct 1831 in St Helen's. There are NO burials at any time there for a William Jackson -- and in fact, on my disc, there are no burials anywhere in county in 1840 for an adult William Jackson.

So that's a bit of a mystery!

William and Elizabeth were married at Melbourne St. Michael, Derbyshire, after which they moved to Stapleford. Their five sons (Thomas, James, James the second time, Samuel William, and Charles) were born in Stapleford; I only have St. Helen's baptisms for the first three boys.

In his will, William specified that his lacemaking equipment be given to Elizabeth for use throughout her lifetime (so yes, FWK--Frame Work Knitter--fits); after that, it would go to one of the boys...can't recall which one.

William is a puzzle, quickly turning into a brick wall. Can't find anything on him prior to his marriage in 1826. Equally perplexing is Elizabeth, as I can't find her anything for her after the 1841 Census. Nothing.

THANK YOU for checking your disc. The mystery continues.... :::sigh:::

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Original graves at St. Helen's in Stapleford...?
« on: Friday 16 June 17 18:34 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Annie65115 on Friday 16 June 17 14:34 BST (UK)
I have ancestors buried in the same graveyard and visited, hoping to spot a stone or two, but found it possibly the most soul-less graveyard I've ever visited (pun intended).

It struck me much the same way. While, on one hand, it's commendable that they saved the prettiest markers---oooh, some of the calligraphy was stunning---overall, the grounds felt, well, soul-less, as you put it.

Maybe it wouldn't have hit me quite that way if not for the chilly responses from the church office. Guess that kind of set the tone early on, before seeing the grounds in person.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Original graves at St. Helen's in Stapleford...?
« on: Friday 16 June 17 18:29 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: larkspur on Friday 16 June 17 13:57 BST (UK)
The closing of the graveyard was 26th October 1881, so would have had no effect on your 1840 burial. "died in 1840, but wasn't buried there. One possible explanation would be a break from the church, if parishioners were upset by the removal of graves. Without the history of what, exactly, happened regarding the original graves, well...it's just guesswork."
 The stones were removed NOT the graves, they are still there under the grass, they just have no markers. I have come across several grave yards where the stones have been removed and form the boundary wall or walk ways, this is not unusual.
NFHS has 38 burials for 1840 at St Helens.
If you would like to give me the name of the ancestor, whom you believe should be buried there in 1840 I can have a look for you.

I knew about the 1881 closing to all below-ground burials, but wondered if something had occurred prior to that which may have impacted family decisions. Just can't fathom why, after having all their children baptized there, and since the family lived in Stapleford, a head of household wouldn't have been buried at St. Helen's.

Maybe, with luck, he was. :) Thank you SO MUCH for offering to look this up, larkspur!

William Jackson
b. abt 1802/1803
d. 27 Mar 1840
Occupation: Lacemaker
Spouse: Elizabeth Summerfield (b. abt 1806/d. after 1841, but don't know when/where)

Fingers crossed....


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Roxburghshire / Re: Precise location of "Place Graden" in Linton...?
« on: Thursday 15 June 17 23:02 BST (UK)  »
This is wonderful, Istrice--thank you! And yes, it appears to be on the same site as "Graden" from the later map.

I can see there are plenty o' fabulous maps I need to peruse....

:)

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