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London and Middlesex / Re: John Knyffe 1469!
« on: Friday 12 April 24 08:10 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: horselydown86 on Friday 12 April 24 04:08 BST (UK)
Quote from: emjsw on Thursday 11 April 24 19:46 BST (UK)
Thomas Pymme 1549/50 Isolden (Islington) Middlesex (National Archives PROB 11-33-54).
'First I will and bequeath my tenement I now dwell in in Iseldon with [?] acres and a half of land which were some time my cousin Knyfys'.

Regarding the ?, it is vij = seven.

Hi,
Thank you very much :)

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Knyffe 1469!
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 19:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Vance Mead on Thursday 11 April 24 08:09 BST (UK)
Here are some more references to John Knyf and Thomas.

1446 John Knyf citizen and 'corsour' of London, in Close Rolls.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/hen6/vol4/pp431-436

1448 and 1452 John Knyf or Knyffe, "corsour", surety
https://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/239804116?GET&FILE=[WWW_LMA]simple_search.htm

1458 John Knyfe, plaintiff in Common Pleas. This doesn't give any more information, but it was in London.
https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40/788

Letter Books of London, 1470, Matilda Knif, widow, and Thomas, son of John Knyf, late "corser". Thomas was under-age.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-letter-books/voll/pp83-91

1492 Knyff, Thomas, of Iseldon (Islington), gentleman, a defendant for debt in Common Pleas.
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no919/CP40no919Act.htm

1508 the executors of Knyff, Thomas, of Iseldon, Middx, gentleman, (Darset, William, of London, gent; Bayly, Richard, of St John Strete, Middx, yeoman), defendants in Common Pleas.
https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40no983

Since Thomas Knyff was described as a gentleman, he could be in other records, such as Heralds' Visitations. There are some records of a Knyff family in Upton-cum-Chalvey, Bucks. This is about 10 miles from High Wycombe, so that could be a connection.

Footnote 5
https://archive.org/details/historyantiquiti_03lips/page/n261/mode/2up?view=theater

1420 Knyf, Thomas, of Upton, Bucks, gent
https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40/636

Boulstrode of Upton, has Margaret the daughter of Thomas Knyffe
https://archive.org/details/fourvisitationso5657ryla/page/78/mode/2up?view=theater

Hi,
Thank you so much for the links and new avenues to explore above, I really appreciate your help and am looking forward to going through them in more detail this evening.

Until now I had just had mention of a Knyffe/Knyf family in 2 wills and now I can try to piece together some more information to work out why Thomas Pymme calls a Knyf his cousin:

Thomas Pymme 1505 Chepping (High) Wycombe (Buckinghamshire Archives DAWe 1-203)
'I will that my son Thomas Pymme shall, immediately after my decease have the lands and tenements returned, the revisions and services that I have in the parish of St Aegidius (St Giles) outside Cripplegate, London, in the suburbs  of the same which were formerly of John Knyffe, London, to be held and held for him and the heirs of the body by their own right'.

Thomas Pymme 1549/50 Isolden (Islington) Middlesex (National Archives PROB 11-33-54).
'First I will and bequeath my tenement I now dwell in in Iseldon with [?] acres and a half of land which were some time my cousin Knyfys'.

Another mention of a Knyff (but I am not sure if they are linked) is in Stow where he discusses the late dissolved priory of St Bartholomew's and it's burials:
'Alice, wife to Balstred, daughter of Kniffe' [no year given]*
This seems to fit with the Bulstrode family in the visitation link.

Thanks again and best wishes Emma

*pg 320 A survey of London written in the year 1598 by John Stow with an Introduction by Antonia Fraser. Sutton Publishing 2005.


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London and Middlesex / Re: John Knyffe 1469!
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 19:41 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jimbo50 on Thursday 11 April 24 03:01 BST (UK)
Is Smythfield or were the hostelries outside of the wall at Cripplegate ?
i.e St Giles Church...
The church was situated outside the wall at the Cripplegate, hence its name of "St Giles' without Cripplegate".
Isn't it possible that they could then be the same places/properties.

Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me. It is quite possible, I will have to get a map out to check but the building willed to Thomas Pymme was at St Giles without Cripplegate and the properties mentioned in the Court of Hustings were three messuages near the "le Seven Sterres," within the Bar of West Smithfield, and a hostel called "le Ramme" in the parish of Saint Sepulchre. I am not sure how close all of these areas are but it could be that they are talking of the same places.
Best wishes, Emma

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Knyffe 1469!
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 00:38 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Ashtone on Thursday 11 April 24 00:16 BST (UK)
FindMyPast have this brief record with image (courtesy of the SoG):

Boyd's Inhabitants Of London & Family Units 1200-1946

Year: 1460
Name: John Knyf
Profession: Citiren (?) and Corser
Wife: Matilda
Children: Thomas

Hi,
Thank you very much, this is really helpful , I appreciate your help.
Best wishes Emma

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London and Middlesex / Re: John Knyffe 1469!
« on: Wednesday 10 April 24 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Sorry here is the Court of Hustings link https://www.british-history.ac.uk/court-husting-wills/vol2/p566

Here is the Thomas Knyff link to the Surrey Archives (re directed from the National Archives). It concerns land in Islington (where incidentally Thomas Pymme lived) https://www.surreyarchives.org.uk/collections/ other names mentioned include Sir John Shaa, Thomas Frowyk, serjeant at law, Edward Cheseman, Richard Clowdysley, John Olyff and Sir John Bourghchyer [Bourchier]

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London and Middlesex / John Knyffe 1469!
« on: Wednesday 10 April 24 21:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
I am trying to find out about a man called John Knyf (Knyffe).
He was a cousin of Thomas Pymme of High Wycombe (& is mentioned in Thomas' 1505 will as deceased). John left Thomas property in Cripplegate without which Thomas left to his son.

I can find no mention of a John Knyf anywhere other than in the Court of Hustings where his will was proved 1469/70. I am not sure if it is the same John as neither Pymme or Cripplegate are mentioned.

In John's will he mentions the below properties:
"le Seven Sterres," within the Bar of West Smythfeld, and also his hostel called "Ie Ramme" in the parish of S. Sepulchre.

Does anyone know if there is a registry of old pubs please as perhaps I can find out more about him there.

I have searched for John Knyf (and various other spellings) and can't seem to find any records for him (I did find a Thomas Knyffe but don't know if they are connected.

Best wishes Emma.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Shared coat of arms
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 08:36 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: KGarrad on Thursday 29 February 24 07:36 GMT (UK)
Try:
A GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED IN HERALDRY
by JAMES PARKER

Relevant page:
https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossb.htm

As buckles of various forms occurred in heraldry it became necessary to mention the shape. An arming-buckle is in the form of a lozenge.

        Azure, an arming-buckle argent, between three boar's heads or--FERGUSON, Kilkerran.
        Argent, three lozenge-(or mascle-, or arming-)buckles gules--JERNINGHAM or JERNEGAN, Suff.
        Argent, a fesse sable in the dexter chief a square buckle gules--GILBY.

    We find besides, square buckles, circular buckles, and even oval buckles figured. In some examples the tongues are turned to the dexter, in others to the sinister; and to the variety of buckles may be added the gar buckle(possibly contraction for garter buckles), and the belt-buckle.

        Sable, three round buckles argent, tongues pendent--JODDREL, Cheshire.
        Azure, three gar-buckles argent(possibly garter-buckles)--STUKELEY.
        Argent, a chevron between three circular buckles sable--TRECOTHIK.
        Or, a lion rampant gules; over all on a bend wavy sable an oval buckle tongue upwards, between two mascles argent--SPENCE, Edinburgh.
        Argent, three belt-buckles sable--SAPCOTT.
        Argent, a fesse azure between three belt-buckles gules--BRADLEY.

Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me with this.
I have looked at all the coat of arms mentioned and sadly none looked like those in the image! I think they are very unusual as I have looked on line at all of the knots too and they don't look like any of them either.
Thanks for the link though has been very handy for finding out about the humets I was looking for.

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Shared coat of arms
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 08:28 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Cats1723 on Wednesday 28 February 24 23:42 GMT (UK)
you could try    reddit heraldry
https://www.reddit.com/r/heraldry/

Thank you very much 😊

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Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms / Re: Shared coat of arms
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 22:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I now have an image of the mysterious quarter 4 of the shield I mentioned.
In the Heralds visitation it was listed as 3 buckles Or? I can see why there was the '?' as it looks to me like a knot, however looking at lists of knots I can't find anything like it. Does anyone know what it is called please?

The image came from Thomas Dingley’s History from Marble and I would like to thank Oxford Family History Centre for bringing it to my attention.

Best wishes
Emma

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