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London & Middlesex Resources / Re: Re :-ELLEN BOYCE Lincolnshire B1841
« on: Wednesday 12 January 22 13:42 GMT (UK)  »
Many Thanks everyone. Regards Just J.

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London & Middlesex Resources / Re :-ELLEN BOYCE Lincolnshire B1841
« on: Wednesday 12 January 22 09:43 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for looking at my post?
Help needed with the finding of a ELLEN BOYCE born 1841  Colsterworth, Lincolnshire aged 20 as the 1861 Census R.G 9/ 164/ Parish--South Hackney/ Borough --Tower Hamlets / Ecc.District - South Hackney /Page 181 or 187 ??.
The Head Family of the Household ( Abbott's ) are being visited by two other family's ( 2 Wentzell / 1 Boyce ) children. These three children are all entered as Niece's. I have found further records for all but for ELLEN BOYCE, Aged 20 ?supposedly born 1841?, Colsterworth, Lincolnshire. Thank you in advance if anyone is able to help with any further information on ELLEN, Best Regards to all, Just J

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London & Middlesex Resources / Re: M.C is hard to find ???
« on: Sunday 02 January 22 08:18 GMT (UK)  »
Firstly Happy New Year to one and all,

Thank you to all for looking at my post and the information that you all have found. It's much appreciated. All very good researching, certainly have something's to work on from you all.
    Stay safe / Best Regards Just J

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London & Middlesex Resources / M.C is hard to find ???
« on: Friday 31 December 21 11:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi, Many thanks for reading my post.

Between the 1851 & 1861 Censuses, three individuals leave the household.
Two Daughters aged 16 and 8 and one Son Aged 14. All children of my Great, Great, Great, Great Grandmother.

The eldest Daughter, ( CHARLOTTE ( b 1833 ) is in Liverpool giving birth to her first Son in 1854 and also gives birth to her second Son in 1856 in the Liverpool area.

The youngest Daughter ( b 1843 Lambeth ) is in Greenwich, Kent and Marries there in 1867. Future Censuses have her continuing to live in Kent.

1861 Census - The Mother was widowed between 1841 / 1851 and has been the
Head of Household since.
Her eldest Son ( CHARLES b 1833 ) is now Head of Household on the 1861 Census. He has Married, his wife is twelve years older than himself??. Future Censuses have them living in Lewisham.

My problem - I have hit a Brickwall as to what has happened to the third child HENRY SADLER Born 1837.LAMBETH
I have not been able to find anything on HENRY at all. A marriage certificate was what I was hoping for.
Their Father was JOSEPH SADLER b 1802 ?? and his occupation was CARPENTER

Much appreciated if there is there anyone who is able to help on finding HENRY SADLER, Born LAMBETH, SURREY 1837

Census Ref - H0107 / Piece 1572 / Folio 67 / Page 27

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The Common Room / Re: Brickwall on Armerican arrival, 1877 -1881?
« on: Thursday 09 December 21 09:36 GMT (UK)  »
Christine 53 Hi
 Thank you very much for the information that you have supplied to my post
I and a American family member are in agreement that this H.W is most likely our Ancestors time of arrival from the English side of the Atlantic.
 Are / can you tell me where from you acquired this information please.?
   Best Regards JUST J.



This could be him :

Hy Wentzell 26 b abt 1855
dep Liverpool
arr Quebec 2 May 1881
ship : Polynesian

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The Common Room / Re: Brickwall on Armerican arrival, 1877 -1881?
« on: Thursday 25 November 21 12:01 GMT (UK)  »
I'm descended from Harry Wentzell Saddler's oldest son, Perry. Any light that can be shed on this bizarre family would be so greatly appreciated.

I think it's likely that Harry's grandfather, not his father, was lost at sea.

 ***** Upto yet there is no Wentzell record found of any person dying/being lost at sea?

  Harry's Grandfather, if it was Albert Wentzell as the Father,would have been 
  JAMES JOHN WENTZELL b 1816. d 1863

  No birth certificate has yet been found on HARRY b 1854-Liverpool-Oct 28

  I have an understanding that JAMES JOHN WENTZELL could also be 
  HARRY's Father. As we have not ( yet ?) located a B.C for HARRY b 1854, but
  what we do have is B.C for ALFRED who was born 1856/7. 
 
  This certificate shows a JAMES WENTZELL as ALFRED's Father.?
  If JAMES JOHN was the Father of HARRY -- GOTTLEIP ( JOHN ) WENTZELL, who
  died in 1841, Cripplegate, would then be HARRY's  Great Gandfather instead.

  HARRY's obituary I do take it as being totally false / misleading ??

  Again taking into account of who the Father is, is JAMES WENTZELL the JAMES
  JOHN WENTZELL b 1816 or is he the son JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL who was
  born 1837
  JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL began a 20 year Army in 1858. He was discharged 
  from service in 1878.
  When discharged from his 20 year device, JAMES THOMAS Marries a SARAH
  WILSON in Hounslow,Middx.
  Their Marriage Certificate has his Father entered as JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL
   and not JAMES JOHN ??

  ALFRED's b.c details are the only document details that has a JAMES WENTZELL 
  as his/their Father ?? ****

 
as listed on the 1861, 1871, and 1881 UK Census as being a fireman on a steam boat. Albert's father, James John Wentzell was a marine engineer and died in 1863. I can't find a death record for Albert, and there's a widowed Albert Wentzell living in the poorhouse in the 1901 and 1911 Census records. His profession is "stoker." If this is our Albert, he definitely didn't go down with the ship.

Here's Harry's obituary. Take it with large grains of salt. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wentzell-127

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The Common Room / Re: Brickwall on Armerican arrival, 1877 -1881?
« on: Thursday 25 November 21 11:58 GMT (UK)  »
I'm descended from Harry Wentzell Saddler's oldest son, Perry. Any light that can be shed on this bizarre family would be so greatly appreciated.

I think it's likely that Harry's grandfather, not his father, was lost at sea.

 ***** Upto yet there is no Wentzell record found of any person dying/being lost at sea?

  Harry's Grandfather, if it was Albert Wentzell as the Father,would have been 
  JAMES JOHN WENTZELL b 1816. d 1863

  No birth certificate has yet been found on HARRY b 1854-Liverpool-Oct 28

  I have an understanding that JAMES JOHN WENTZELL could also be 
  HARRY's Father. As we have not ( yet ?) located a B.C for HARRY b 1854, but
  what we do have is B.C for ALFRED who was born 1856/7. 
 
  This certificate shows a JAMES WENTZELL as ALFRED's Father.?
  If JAMES JOHN was the Father of HARRY -- GOTTLEIP ( JOHN ) WENTZELL, who
  died in 1841, Cripplegate, would then be HARRY's  Great Gandfather instead.

  HARRY's obituary I do take it as being totally false / misleading ??

  Again taking into account of who the Father is, is JAMES WENTZELL the JAMES
  JOHN WENTZELL b 1816 or is he the son JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL who was
  born 1837
  JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL began a 20 year Army in 1858. He was discharged 
  from service in 1878.
  When discharged from his 20 year device, JAMES THOMAS Marries a SARAH
  WILSON in Hounslow,Middx.
  Their Marriage Certificate has his Father entered ass JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL
   and not JAMES JOHN ??

  ALFRED's b.c details are the only document details that has a JAMES WENTZELL 
  as his/their Father ?? ****

 
as listed on the 1861, 1871, and 1881 UK Census as being a fireman on a steam boat. Albert's father, James John Wentzell was a marine engineer and died in 1863. I can't find a death record for Albert, and there's a widowed Albert Wentzell living in the poorhouse in the 1901 and 1911 Census records. His profession is "stoker." If this is our Albert, he definitely didn't go down with the ship.

Here's Harry's obituary. Take it with large grains of salt. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Wentzell-127

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The Common Room / Re: Brickwall on Armerican arrival, 1877 -1881?
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi RsgP / tivokatya,
      Welcome you both to Rootschat
     Please any further message's can you go through the personnel message.
         Regards

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The Common Room / Brickwall on Armerican arrival, 1877 -1881?
« on: Monday 05 April 21 10:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi to all,
Hoping someone can supply information / guide me in the right direction.??
What I am asking mainly for is for information on how to find / access Ships passenger records across the Atlantic between the years of 1877 & 1900.?

This is a Brickwall of a Brickwall that has been a problem to the family for quite some time on both sides of the Atlantic.?
It concerns an Ancestor, my G / Grandfather's Brother, who was born in Liverpool, Lancashire 1854 ??.
He has Married in 1874 and with his English wife he has four children in England by the end of year 1881.

The 1881 Census is the last English Census found of him being in England.

By 1883 his English Wife has remarried. (  Assume bigamously.?? )

The next Census/es that he appears on are American 1900 - 1910 and the 1920 Censuses.
He himself ( bigamously?? ) Marries in America in 1896, and has four Children born by 1920. He dies in Jan.1930.

This is where both the English / American Family/s are confused ( Brickwall? ) as to what the American Censuses show / reveal.?
These three censuses they have him of arriving / entering America between 1877 and 1881.?? - No earlier American Census has been found on him before 1900.?

 ( English records have him of Fathering three? English Chlidren between 1876 and 1881? )
 ( American Censuses  have him of being in America since 1877.? )
This info is / has been conflicting to both Family's on each side of the Atlantic on what to believe?

As to what records show, just how has he or someone managed to Father Children in England as the 1881 Census show's and also be able to be in America between the same years? of 1877-1881?

As then the only way across the Atlantic was by Ship ( 1877 - 1881? ). I am  looking / searching for information of how to search Ships Passenger Lists of that time for my Great Grandfather's Brother.
When he went to America he changed his name from Harry Wentzell b 1854/6 to Harry Sadler/Saddler.

Appreciate any help / advice, Thank you,
 and thank you for taking the time to read my post   Best Regards Just J




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