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Are you sure she's named as executrix? It sounds like there may not have been a will? If there was no valid will, there would be a grant of administration instead, and Mary Ambrose and her bondsmen would be bound to administer the deceased's estate in accordance with the law.

Hi Bookbox.  You're absolutely right.  Mary was the administrator not the executor. 

Here's the top part of the final probate record dating from, I think, 19 May 1726.  Mary Ambrose is mentioned, as is a Thomas Haselden of Rainford who appears in other Ambrose family will and probate records. 

I'd be interested to learn if there are any additional insights from this Latin portion of the document.

Many thanks in advance. 

Thanks arthurk.  I'll post the image in segments...although i recognize that I may not be dividing the document at logical break points.

The document relates to the will and probate of Ellis Ambrose of Bickerstaffe, Lancashire.  From what I can tell, it's not an actual will and probate record since Ellis Ambrose died in 1724 but the record dates from the following year.  I believe it's a demand for Ellis' widow, Mary, to complete administration of the will.

Here's the first segment.  Any help would be hugely appreciated.

My guess ~ man in photo estimated born 1840 ish +/- 2 years

https://www.pastonpaper.com/item/carte-de-visite-of-unidentified-female-st-helens-1860s/

It looks like 1860's (Say 1867) to late 1870's (say 1877)


Man looks about 25 to 35 years old

So  if photo taken 1867 - age 35 = born   1832
                                                      between
So if photoo taken 1867  - aged 25  = born 1842

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So  if photo taken 1877 - age 35 = born   1842
                                                      between
So if photoo taken 1877  - aged 25  = born 1852

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George William Griffin listed at 14 Canning Place, Liverpool, from 1857-1860.
•   George William Griffin listed at 11 Westfield Street, St.Helens, from 1865-1887 with a second shop in Ormskirk Street, St.Helens, 1870-1887.
•   George William Griffin and Son listed at 33 Ormskirk Street, St.Helens, from 1890-1892.

Thanks for the info about G.W. Griffin locations.  Googling for images from G.W. Griffin, there is a lot of variation over time regarding the pattern and information printed on the reverse of each CdV.  However, the evolution appears to show inclusion of both shop locations and then, later, the transition to " and Son". 

I'm wondering if the back of my photo, which doesn't have multiple shop locations, may indicate it dates from before 1870? 

The curved corners is still nagging at me, not least because I've yet to find another image showing the same card format but with rounded corners.  However, we certainly seem to be honing in to late 1860s or, perhaps, very early 1870s with Griffin using up old card stock even after the Ormskirk Street shop opened. 

I've been thinking about this overnight.

The snips you have posted don't show the valuations of the items.

You may be able to make some inference about say, whether it's 'carts AND wheels', or 'cartwheels' from the relative value given. I expect the value of carts AND wheels would be more than just  cartwheels. A cart being quite a valuable asset, and if there was more than one - 'carts' - then even more valuable.
Of course you'd have to weigh this against the relative value of the other goods ...........
Just an idea.

It's a really good idea.  Only problem is I don't know what the going rate was for a second-hand cart and wheels (particularly when I don't know how many miles were on the clock  ). 

Here's a list of the items and their values in pounds-shillings-pence:

One clock 1-0-0
One table 0-5-0
One dishboard, a little cupboard and old seeling 0-12-0
In pewter, brass, and ironware, grate, crow and tongs 1-0-0
Chairs, stools and 2 little tables 0-6-0
Four pair of bedsocks and bedding 2-0-0
One chest and other odd things 0-5-0
Two horses and one mare 7-0-0
In beast kind 8-0-0
In husbandry goods, carts and wheels 2-0-0
In corn and hay 4-0-0
The deceased's apparel 1-0-0

Looking at the list, the animals and crops were clearly valuable.  Not sure about the carts and wheels when compared to, for example, four pairs of bedsocks and bedding.