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Hello,
The important thing to remember about "does size matter" is that below 7cm od course you can get a match, however, for most people researching the distance in generations is likely to be large and after 6 or seven very difficult to find the connection in terms of time and effort unless two people have very extensive trees?
Many people can not take their tree back very far eg Irish or American / Australian researchers the numbers of generations in a tree may be limited. 5 generations in my Irish tree takes me back to the beginning of national records.
Of course too, it is important to remember, that by chance, a segment may be passed along for longer than 6 or 7 generations.
So the gist of it is to say that for most people when they start out with DNA is not to chase the smaller stuff unless the mix of evidence suggest the time spent researching it.
I am fortunate that I can mostly  spend as long as I want but even then, when people have only just started their tree, people do not reply, people have only one particular interest, people have a massive tree but do not want to divulge anything of it, it can still be difficult to find the time.
One last example and sorry for the personal example. I have two strong Scandanavian DNA links. My sister has our English line back to 1600s and we have connected with a know relative who has a 36% Scandi DNA connection and it is taking the three of us hours and hours of research over several weeks now and we still haven't unlocked it.
I know again that to find the clues to my own tree in Ireland I am working with small DNA connections but I have had to massively increase my tree and make new trees to track the connections between me and others. In fact it is becoming a one name study.
All DNA matches are potentially important but the question of size really related tot the amount of effort needed with small matches. "Triangulation" can help as brigidmac has explained.
Good luck!

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Such a rush...
I forgot to mention segments, more segments means a closer match even if the segments added together are smaller than one, single segment (in my experience).
Lastly, if you have a small match, look for others that also have the same match - you need to download the data for all your matches from your results dupplier. Make them into a spreadsheet and sort by Chromosome, Start point and End point in that order. Scanning the list will give you possibles and the names of contacts?
Shay

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Hello,
When is a science not a science? When it is biological! :)
GedMatch recommends over 7cM if you are using that criteria alone. The smaller you go the easier it is to get a match with anyone. I think I read elsewhere that 3cM gets that kind of result.
However, your percentage match may also matter. By trial and error initially, I realised that chasing links of 0.3% and less was a similar exercise. Yes, you can make connections but you are going way back and unless you have a really good, expansive tree to use, it is going to be a long job working out where it came from.
If you have an already well researched DNA and can place segments of DNA with known relatives then it is possible to go smaller (DNA painting comes in here)
One technique I use is to multiply the cM value by the number of SNPs, the bigger the score the more likely your going to find someone that touches your tree because both of you are likely to have known relatives to compare.
The thing for me is that the matches I want are the really small matches because I am back in the early 1800s and I have to find big matches to work their tree back to mine in some way.
Something I would recommend, as someone did already, is try to look for any match with given surnames off your tree. Obviously Smith might be a long shot.... However, also notice locations?
I have 12% Scandinavian genes as a surprise and one of the things I have been trying is collecting all the Scandinavian names, Johnson is the obvious name that is not in my tree. One thing that comes out of this is you will get many people from your 8000+ matches with the same surname - might be worth asking if a name recurs again and again. I have some notable links to people called Tucker with no idea where it comes from but it appears they have Scandinavian genes too!
When looking at possible matches I often use any combinations of these to make decisions about a letter of enquiry.
As the man said, "..it depends.." Make some fuzzy logic judgements on the items above and use your intuition too. It is isn't about science as such at this point?
One of the things lacking in DNA research is a how to guide on what to do with your results. Bits and pieces are given, but there is not an overall strategy as yet.
Hope this helps and please ask if I confused anyone?

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Wiltshire / Re: Who is Charles Sylvanus Mack ????
« on: Friday 20 March 20 15:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I am interested in the names Sylvanus Mack as my grandfather reckoned he came from a long line of Sylvanus Macks from Norfolk. However, my grandfather was an entertaining positive man and yet I do not believe his background. If anyone has any further information regarding this name combination I would be pleased to hear from you.
Seamus

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Hello,
Thanks for a great response!

Thanks KGarrad for the  Vanstone website example, really nice and clear of how to do it! Mine is coming along as they say but I will keep what you have done in mind.

Thanks davidft for reminding me for giving back to the community. I have used their site a lot in recent years so that will happen eventually, beyond my own website.

Thanks to Jackiemh for the suggestion of Triabal pages. This site has a lot of potential. As well as potentially loading more than one tree, it has multiple ways of clearly displaying the information for others. I am going to sign up and give this a try. I will report back when I have got to grips with it.

Thanks again to all of you for fastracking me!

Seamus Crowe

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During my searches I have created trees of people with the same surname but not proven links to my own.
Rather than waste them by leaving them on my computer I want to post them for others to use.
I know Ancestry has trees like this and my tree on Wikitree only allows your own tree to be posted, so, some help / direction would be useful?

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Tipperary / Re: Dalton/Crowe Corrogemore Tipperary
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 09:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again,
Thanks for the reply, glad to help
One quick thought as I also have a problem with an Ellen Hanly as a possible connection.
I have thousands of baptism records I have scavenged over the years (only way to solve the brick wall) and for larger families it is amazing how any one person can be recorded. Of course we know the variations happen and there is illiteracy, dialects etc. However the thing is it is possible to see variations in childrens birth / baptism registers over the years that may help in deciding between formal and informal names? It may be a trial to get the names but as a last resort?
Another thought I just had while writing is that if youare searching in Tipperary even the state records are split between registration districts i.e. Cashel, Nenagh, Thurles, Tipperary and even Limerick. Searching for Tipp only will not find these other Tipp records. Many of my  names are split between Limerick and Tipperary though they are all from " Solohead ". Places in Tipp do not relate very well to Google maps either and is, frankly, a nightmare to understand the districts over time.

Best of luck,
No reply needed! :)
Shay
Enclosed a couple of attachments that you may have already.

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Tipperary / Re: COSTELLO & RYAN - Tipperary
« on: Friday 16 March 18 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
There are millions of Ryans in this area, perhaps best to look for more distinctive names linked with them to reduce your numbers. I am interested in Crowe / Crough and in some areas the linked Ryans amount to 40% of marriages.

I have a Judith Costello married to a Walter Crowe children 1837 - 1854 Clonoulty (adjacent parish)

Reafadda is northwest of Clonoulty

Seamus Crowe

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Limerick / Re: Crowe / Neely in Limerick and/or Tipperary
« on: Friday 16 March 18 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
A lot of Crowes in the adjoining Oola, Solohead areas and also Cappagh and Doon areas to the east of that.
Presumably you have solved this problem by now? If you did, did you find the link to the States?

best wishes,
Seamus Crowe

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