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Hi again!

Re: John Caffery b. 1829, Cheadle/Stockport,Cheshire

Was a John Caffery b. 1829 Cheadle/Stockport in the army in the period around 1860 to 1870?

I went back to the censuses to line them all up and I'm missing Joseph's father, John Caffery (various spellings - Caffer...) on both the 1861 and the 1971 censuses.

(Not sure if John b.1829 made it to 1881 census (as Bridget b.1836 Dublin, Ireland, wife, is only living with her son, Joseph b. 1866, 15 years at that time)).
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1861: Bridget (Bridge) lodging with her two eldest children - James Henry Caffer b.1854, Hannah b.1859.  No husband John b. 1829 around.
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1871: Bridget, head is living with all four of her children: James Henry, Hannah, Alice 1864, Joseph b. 1866.  No husband John b. 1829 around.
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1881 Bridget is living with her youngest Joseph b.1866, age 15.  No husband John b. 1829 around - maybe had died by then.
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1891 Bridget by herself - Joseph b. 1866 in the army - see thread.

Any information is appreciated.
Thanks,
Lesleyperry 

Re: Bridge(t) Caffery b. 1836 Dublin on the 1891

Yes, thank you for finding her on Staffordshire Street, Stockport.

Looking for Joseph Caffery b. 1866, Stockport, Bridge(t)'s son, somewhere nearby, as he doesn't seem to be home with her, and he is not living with his future wife Mary Ann Thorniley b. 1870 Stockport (she is at her parent's home).

Civil Registration Marriage Index - 1916-2005
Name: Frederick Dayus Morris
Reg Date: Jan 1935
Quarter: Jan, Feb, March
Spouse: Sarah Winsper
Volume: 66
Page: 739
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire


"Looking at the 1939 register, Frederick and Sarah appear to have had a child
(and maybe more children after that) so it is possible there are some living
descendants - requires further research."

Any further information appreciated!
Lesley

Yes, Alice E. (Edith) ELLIS (Morris/mmn Dayus) b. 1874 Bridnorth, Shropshire was listed as Alice E. Dayus, age 7, b. Bridgnorth on the 1881 census and then as Alice E. Morris, age 17, b. Bridgnorth, on the 1891.


By the 1901 census when Alice E. Ellis (now married) was listing her birthplace as Wolverhampton (not Bridgnorth), her parents were still alive and, by then, living very close to Wolverhampton, after having moved around in the Bridgnorth, Shropshire area.

Presumably that was the reason for the birth location change (if Alice E. wasn't very sophisticated and she confused herself with where her parents were currently living with where she had been born).

The change of birth location (from Bridgnorth to Wolverhampton) from 1901 onwards made identifying Alice E. rather difficult on the previous censuses. 

I definitely knew who Alice E. was on the 1901 census because, by then, she was married and some of my great-aunts had already been born.


There were also Alice E.'s three surnames to contend with on the various censuses/other documents (brought about by Alice E.'s illegitimacy): Dayus (mmn), Morris (maiden name on 1898 marriage certificate, Salford), and Ellis (married name - George W. Ellis, b. 1872, Leeds).
 


My family finally!!  confirmed Alice E.'s identity through a DNA match between my mum (a granddaughter), and another of Alice E.'s sibling's descendants.  There were eight siblings who were all recorded accurately throughout the censuses.




Alice E.'s parents were Thomas Morris b.1852 Worfield/Louisa nee Dayus b. 1849 Chelmarsh, m. 1875, Bridgnorth, Shrewsbury area.

Their (Thomas and Louisa) two children (of the eight) born before 1875 (including Alice E.) are listed with the mother's maiden name in 1881. 

Louisa Dayus's (b.1849) mother was Jane Dayus, washerwoman.
Thomas Morris's (b.1852) parents were John Morris = Elizabeth.

Alice E.'s younger sister (Fanny) Louisa Morris, age 15, b. 1876 Bridgnorth, in 1891, was also a servant living reasonably close by to Didsbury, in Chorlton. 

Both sisters, Alice E. and Louisa Morris b.1876, stayed in the Manchester area but my mother/grandmother couldn't name/never mentioned Alice E.'s sister (Louisa).

Alice E. was my great-grandmother and in 1891 she was a former servant in Didsbury, Manchester, 67 Clyde Road.

As no other member of Alice E.'s family were present in the 1891 household it was difficult to connect her (to herself) on all the other censuses.

Looking for the street that Alice E. Morris, mmn Dayus, age 17, born Bridgnorth, Shropshire was living in on the 1891 census as a servant in Didsbury, Manchester.

Thank you.
Lesley