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Hi Keelan,

If you check out the "Shared cM Project 3.0 tool v4" at the DNA Painter website you can enter the shared cM result. The highest Relationship Probability for 31.4cM is 53.56% covers 6C, 6C1R, 5C, 6C2R, 4C1R, 5C1R, 7C, Half 3C2R, 4C2R, 5C2R, 7C1R, 3C3R, 4C3R,  5C3R,  8C or more distant. This tool would support your prediction of 7C1R.

Good luck with your search.

Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 1st cousin or half sibling confusions
« on: Sunday 24 February 19 17:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gadget,

I tested my mtDNA at FT-DNA, I am H1a6 and we can trace my mother's maternal line back to Pomerania, Poland around 1800. There is a basic no-frills mtDNA haplogroup at 23and Me.

I have also taken autosomal DNA  tests at Ancestry DNA, FT-DNA,  23andMe and uploaded to My Heritage and GEDmatch. At FT-DNA and GEDmatch I can see my X- chromosome match with my sister.


Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 1st cousin or half sibling confusions
« on: Sunday 24 February 19 15:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Gadget,

Indeed and it appears to confirm that there is some confusion here. Maternal haplogroups are defined by mutations on the mitochondrial DNA. This is nothing to do with the X chromosome.


Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: 1st cousin or half sibling confusions
« on: Sunday 24 February 19 14:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Melba_Schmelba ,

Sorry but you are falling into the trap of equating the X-chromosome with the mitochondrial DNA.

The mitochondria is a circular organelle found in the cytoplasm of all cells. It is 16,569 base pairs in length in humans. The mitochondria are involved with day to day energy production at the cellular level. During reproduction, the female ovum or egg contributes the majority of the cytoplasm as well as the female chromosomes, whilst the male usually just provides the male chromosome to the zygote. Thus in general terms the vast majority of cytoplasmic mitochondria develops from the initial female contribution of cytoplasm to the new zygote (Introduction to Genetic Analysis, Griffiths et al. 2015, Freeman Press). The mitochondrial DNA can be compared to a reference DNA  and the subtle differences can allow scientists to classify the mtDNA into haplogroups. These haplogroups can be displayed as  a phylogenetic tree based on the historic development of the genetic mutations of the DNA that come to represent new haplogroups.

This is all completely different from the nuclear chromosomes, which include the sex chromosomes X and Y. These are inherited as pairs, with one chromosome  coming from the male and the other from the female. Thus chromosome 1 pair has a male and female chain, chromosome 2 pair  has one male and one female chain etc up to chromosome 22. These makes up the autosomal DNA.  Then the 23rd chromosome pair are the sex chromosomes; made up of XX (women) or XY (men).

At the website it does state that " The Ancestry DNA test analyzes your entire genome- all 23 pairs of chromosomes.." Consequently, if you then transfer the raw data to GEDmatch you will be able to utilise the X chromosome matching tools, although Ancestry does not report this data specifically within it's pages.

So to sum up mitochondrial DNA is found in the cytoplasm of cells and the 23 pairs of autosomal and sex chromosomes  are found in the cell nucleus. Thus X chromosome  inheritance has nothing to do with mitochondrial DNA. Hope that is clear but I am happy to follow up further.

The brilliant blog "DNA Explained" has several good pages on X chromosome and mtDNA and


Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Y-dna test and a different last name?
« on: Monday 11 February 19 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi TheCaliforniaLife,

I would recommend that you go to the FTDNA Learning Center and find the Webinar entitled "Help, My Y-DNA Matches have a Different Surname" by Elise Friedman or watch here


Westmorland / Re: Isabella Parke b. abt. 1804 of Lupton, Westmorland
« on: Tuesday 05 February 19 16:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Fretep,

I presume that you have checked the actual parish register or fiche locally for Mansergh, St  Peter's since nothing exists online before 1813 (baptisms) & 1839 (marriages). Would be great to know what's available.

Many thanks,

Westmorland / Re: Isabella Parke b. abt. 1804 of Lupton, Westmorland
« on: Monday 04 February 19 15:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Fretep,

I think that you have cracked it! That would certainly explain why I have been unable to find Isabella Park(e) around Preston Patrick and Lupton area. Looking on my OS map Kendal & Morcambe, I can make out a church at Mansergh, Barbon and Preston Patrick but as you say, nothing at Lupton.

Thank you for supplying that information and the other biographical information on the Park family. I will add it to my tree and see if that makes better sense. Thanks also to other contributors.

Very grateful :D


Westmorland / Re: Isabella Parke b. abt. 1804 of Lupton, Westmorland
« on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:36 GMT (UK)  »
Further to my discussion on the Dixon family, farmers of Ewebank (1841), Rawsons Lyth (1851) I found this online page about the Families of the Lyth Valley.

1871. Burtree, Gilpin Farm, Burtree, John Dixon and seven children.
(This is my John Dixon Jr . 1832, son of John Dixon and Isabella Park(e).)

1982. The Park family, Fell End, Witherslack, purchased the farmhouse, buildings and adjoining land. They later sold the farmhouse.


Westmorland / Re: Isabella Parke b. abt. 1804 of Lupton, Westmorland
« on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:25 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Green Dragon and suzyf for your contributions.

I have tracked down my x3 great grandfather, John Dixon, b. 19 Apr 1805, Kendal, son of James Dixon and Mary Atkinson, farming at Ewebank, Old Hutton on the 1841 census. He is there with wife Isabella and seven children and mother Mary Dixon. They seem to be between Old Croft and Toad Pool at Ewebank.

In the 1851 census, they appear to have moved to Rawsons Lyth, Crosthwaite and Lyth, probably Rawson's Farm, Lyth. Farmer of 80 acres (not 30), living with Isabella, and five children.

My initial difficulty with this family was to decide which of the John Dixon marriages to Isabella. Either 1828, Preston Patrick to Isabella Parke (this fits best with eldest child born 1828/9), or 1830, Kendal to Isabella Airey, or 1831, Kendal to Isabella Prickett.

So my initial post here was about Isabella Park(e) as the 1851 census at Rawsons states that Isabella was from Lupton. This fits with the 1828 marriage at Preston Patrick to John Dixon. So rosie99put forward the useful note about Mr John Dixon of High Bracken Hall marrying Miss Isabella park of Sizergh on 11 November 1828, at Preston Patrick.

My search for Isabella's family has thrown up some contradictory information. She is born about 1805, according to the censuses; 1841, 1851. However the only christening I can find at the moment is 1810. Isabella Park b. 3 May 1810, chr. 10 Jun 1810, at Witherslack, illegitimate daughter of Jane Park. Now Witherslack is closer to Sizergh than Preston Patrick or Lupton. She could have been working at Sizergh Hall. She could have made herself a bit older for the benefit of the wedding. This could be my x3 great grandmother.

Thanks for all the contributions so far.

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