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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 07:51 GMT (UK)  »
Oh that helps heaps! Could the missing name possibly be Walter? As that’s the name in the tree that’s missing from that list. Alice is missing from our tree, but the others fit the dates perfectly

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 05:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hmmm... looking at the dates, we’re missing two children (possibly including the 13 year old mentioned above, but including one in NZ). This one definitely fits with the John Smith who arrived in Tasmania on the Palmyra and the Mary Doyle on the Arabian.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 05:17 GMT (UK)  »
Bother, that didn’t link properly.

Looks like Thomas Gore Browne was governor of both NZ and Tasmania (and St Helena) at various times. 1863 was when he was Tasmania’s governor, having finished up in NZ in 1861

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 05:13 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, we believe so. (Of course, with those names it’s going to be hard to be 100% sure).

Must figure out if Governor Browne was Tasmania or NZ (don’t recognise him as NZ, but that doesn’t mean much).

It’s actually kinda interesting to read it again in light of the potential evidence we found on Friday... Apparently this mentions an older sibling of 13 - maybe the one left in Melbourne. (Note: I’m struggling to read the writing, so going by what my co-researcher has read). (Second note: this links to page 11, but it continues on pages 12 and 13).
https://stors.tas.gov.au/SWD26-1-6$init=SWD26-1-6p013?fbclid=IwAR2Hu3I4ib-frhTgMKqVeSC6-D6eHIDqC8N2RqOXaTG-xo6ddv8G2ikzLwE

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 03:58 GMT (UK)  »
Oh, he disobeyed the maintenance order. Not too surprised, he has no probate due to having less than a pound to his name at death (a decade later, but the lack of money fits). Thanks for that link.

Though I’m wondering what a seaman was doing living in Bannockburn (and dying in Tapanui). He was a hotelier through most of the 1870’s, owning the Miner’s Arms or Miner’s Rest In Bannockburn (name changes from advert to advert), so maybe the occupation of seaman was in his earlier years

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 03:00 GMT (UK)  »
Though I am still new at navigating the Tasmanian record system... Familiar enough with the NZ system (though with a surname like Smith, it’s always trickier). No births registered on 25/1/1867 for a Smith in NZ

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 02:58 GMT (UK)  »
I’m actually struggling to find any of them registered in either country. That will have to wait till I’ve got a free hour or two though (tomorrow, if I’m lucky; next weekend, if I’m not)

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 02:53 GMT (UK)  »
These names are comin from different sources. The Doyle was from another forum where I received a good amount of help at the time I posted. These information I have keeps getting added to. As I noted, the Doyle surname was merely a possibility that we are looking at.

John Smith is very much the enigma in this situation. The only potential evidence of them being together in NZ was the birth of the youngest daughter in 1865 after the court case in 1863 (obviously possible non-paternal event, of course)

Taylor is the name on Mary’s death certificate - apparently no first names for the parents though. There is now a suspicion that it was incorrect. I believe Dublin was on the birth certificate as well. Informant was the undertaker rather than family.
Religion varied from document to document - Mary was buried Baptist, married Presbyterian, and may have been Catholic at some stage.

Number of trips between Tasmania and NZ unknown. Various death certificates suggest 1860 and 1856 as possibilities as well, but of course these were decades after the fact.

We already have enough of the details verified via multiple sources for Catherine, her husbands, and children. For me to go into these details would significantly sidetrack my search. My fellow researcher actually DNA matches fairly closely to me and he’s related through Catherine’s first husband, while I descend via her second. (Ancestry suggests 4th cousin, paper trails suggests half second cousin once removed).

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: John and Mary Smith - Central Otago
« on: Sunday 03 March 19 02:24 GMT (UK)  »
A bit late for an Australian born child.

Mary married in NZ in 1870. She was earlier convicted of being a sly grog seller at the start of 1870, and was well settled in the community by this point (as her fine was paid in about 5 minutes by a large number of diggers waiting outside the court - pretty interesting story, btw).

There appears to be evidence she was in Bannockburn from 1866, plus appears to have taken John to court in 1863 in NZ.

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