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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: First name wife of G Greenfield
« on: Monday 04 February 19 15:27 GMT (UK) »
now see Sutton PR only available up to 1812 so that won't help !
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: First name wife of G Greenfield
« on: Monday 04 February 19 15:01 GMT (UK) »
Emma's maiden name Jenkins.She was born in East End London 1882
Also I have found George Greenfield in City Road Holborn workhouse April 1903, moved to Colney Hatch asylum 2weeks later ,melancholia caused by'Drink and starvation'. Discharged 6 November 1903. So likely not with 'Selina' by this date. I had wondered if changed name because 'absconded' from asylum, that was before found the 1901 census entry , and before I actually saw the register at LMA which shown discharge.
Also I have found George Greenfield in City Road Holborn workhouse April 1903, moved to Colney Hatch asylum 2weeks later ,melancholia caused by'Drink and starvation'. Discharged 6 November 1903. So likely not with 'Selina' by this date. I had wondered if changed name because 'absconded' from asylum, that was before found the 1901 census entry , and before I actually saw the register at LMA which shown discharge.
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: First name wife of G Greenfield
« on: Monday 04 February 19 14:54 GMT (UK) »
thanks for suggestions. My own feeling is 'Selina'.Maybe wasnt name registered at birth. where born is very specific-Sutton Beds. I think it must be Sutton although the t's are not crossed.I had trouble cropping census page to reduce posting size, the house 18 Hawley Road St Pancras London borough where they are shown occupying 1 room also there is Halsey family of 6 and 3 boarders. It may be that the main occupier of the house Christopher Halsey filled in the census form which is why only initials shown for 4 of the occupants as he didnt know them well-although birth places specific so my impression might be wrong.
G Greenfield shown as born St Pancras, occupation looks like Coal Salesman. There is a George Percy Greenfield born St Pancras 1872, occupation traveller he was living with mother 1901 in Finchley and married later that year,1911 with his wife Mary Matilda. I have eliminated all other George Greenfields born 1872 for 1901, and 1911 census there isnt a Greenfield with wife that could possibly be this couple.I am hoping age correct so can focus on 1872 born George Greenfields.
My grandfather born George Greenfield November 1872 in Pulborough cannot be found in 1901 census other than the person with mystery name wife. He is shown born St Pancras but this could be 'convenient' birthplace.
I'm fairly certain he is William Mat(t)hews living with Emma in 1911 in Shoreditch. Tramway platelayer correct but age and birthplace arent correct, Emma's details match perfectly. Later in 1911 they moved to Brighton, my father born there in December 1911, where William worked until he retired as Tramway Platelayer. My father told when we were quite young children that surname had been changed, 'skeletons in cupboard' which he would explain when we were older. He mentioned cousins in Pulborough 'but they dont want to know us'.
Unfortunately he died long before I was interested in the family history so never knew reason. Fortunately my father registered death of ' William George Matthews aka George Greenfield ' .
I have been trying to solve this mystery for many years, started 1995 after my mother died-who probably did know reason .
Sutton Beds is a small village, I found that the parish records are with Bedfordshire Family History Group, I may have to ask if there is a kind person could look through a couple of years birth registrations to see any possibilities for the mystery 'Slina'!
G Greenfield shown as born St Pancras, occupation looks like Coal Salesman. There is a George Percy Greenfield born St Pancras 1872, occupation traveller he was living with mother 1901 in Finchley and married later that year,1911 with his wife Mary Matilda. I have eliminated all other George Greenfields born 1872 for 1901, and 1911 census there isnt a Greenfield with wife that could possibly be this couple.I am hoping age correct so can focus on 1872 born George Greenfields.
My grandfather born George Greenfield November 1872 in Pulborough cannot be found in 1901 census other than the person with mystery name wife. He is shown born St Pancras but this could be 'convenient' birthplace.
I'm fairly certain he is William Mat(t)hews living with Emma in 1911 in Shoreditch. Tramway platelayer correct but age and birthplace arent correct, Emma's details match perfectly. Later in 1911 they moved to Brighton, my father born there in December 1911, where William worked until he retired as Tramway Platelayer. My father told when we were quite young children that surname had been changed, 'skeletons in cupboard' which he would explain when we were older. He mentioned cousins in Pulborough 'but they dont want to know us'.
Unfortunately he died long before I was interested in the family history so never knew reason. Fortunately my father registered death of ' William George Matthews aka George Greenfield ' .
I have been trying to solve this mystery for many years, started 1995 after my mother died-who probably did know reason .
Sutton Beds is a small village, I found that the parish records are with Bedfordshire Family History Group, I may have to ask if there is a kind person could look through a couple of years birth registrations to see any possibilities for the mystery 'Slina'!
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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / First name wife of G Greenfield
« on: Monday 04 February 19 10:51 GMT (UK) »
1901 census number 208 on attached .
G Greenfield is most probably my grandfather George, on Free BMD births 1870-1875 all male G Greenfields are George. I have tracked down on 1901 all likely others in south of England and London.He was born in Pulborough in 1872 although this entry shows St Pancras.
My grandfather 'married' my grandmother Emma in 1910-1911-that census shows 'less than a year married'. My father born December 1911.George had changed his name to William Matthews at some point after 1903 when he was in workhouse as George Greenfield. ( living at same address on this census is a 'C Matthews' maybe George chose this surname for some reason. ) I have his death certificate 1947 showing both names. I cannot trace a marriage for my grandparents, either unable to marry as no documents with new name or already married with Greenfield name.
I have accounted for all Selina born in Bedfordshire 1869-1873, no Serena born in Beds that period. No Irene or Irena births in Beds that period.The initial letter does look like the 'S' written by enumerator in column to denote 'Single'.
Any ideas greatly appreciated to see if I can trace a marriage to G Greenfield
G Greenfield is most probably my grandfather George, on Free BMD births 1870-1875 all male G Greenfields are George. I have tracked down on 1901 all likely others in south of England and London.He was born in Pulborough in 1872 although this entry shows St Pancras.
My grandfather 'married' my grandmother Emma in 1910-1911-that census shows 'less than a year married'. My father born December 1911.George had changed his name to William Matthews at some point after 1903 when he was in workhouse as George Greenfield. ( living at same address on this census is a 'C Matthews' maybe George chose this surname for some reason. ) I have his death certificate 1947 showing both names. I cannot trace a marriage for my grandparents, either unable to marry as no documents with new name or already married with Greenfield name.
I have accounted for all Selina born in Bedfordshire 1869-1873, no Serena born in Beds that period. No Irene or Irena births in Beds that period.The initial letter does look like the 'S' written by enumerator in column to denote 'Single'.
Any ideas greatly appreciated to see if I can trace a marriage to G Greenfield
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