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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Tuesday 31 October 23 21:01 GMT (UK) »
My Gran always said that there were 6 of them!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Friday 10 March 23 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Just had my DNA done & now know the Rundle match with Ethel Mary Hales’ descendants in Canada. Not surprisingly, I’ve come up as a match as well. I think this pretty much proves that Ethel Mary Hales was Harry Rundle’s daughter, and quite probably Minnie Edith Hales was too. So Alice Maud's claim that Minnie Eva Hales had already had 2 children with Harry Rundle by May 1915 was more than likely correct. If this is so, Harry would have fathered 10 children but abdicated responsibility for most of them. It also means Harry Hales may have disappeared from the scene earlier than first thought.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Saturday 09 July 22 15:24 BST (UK) »
Basically it was because their mother Minnie Hales (believed to be widowed) died in 1923. Her then partner Harry Rundle, a one-time professional soldier who seemed to have found it difficult to settle into civvy street, couldn't or wouldn't look after them so there was little other choice.
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Saturday 09 July 22 12:28 BST (UK) »
Couldn't quite fit this one on!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Saturday 09 July 22 12:20 BST (UK) »
Attachments!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Saturday 09 July 22 12:09 BST (UK) »
It was the unveiling of the Blue Plaque on Wednesday commemorating the work of John Middlemore and the Children's Emigration Homes. The mobile Lost Children exhibition was also there and, as you can see, the Hales/Rundle family are featured. It is appearing at several locations around Birmingham. The lady next to the Lord Mayor had travelled all the way from Canada!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Tuesday 10 May 22 13:35 BST (UK) »
The amendments and annotations in green ink would have been made long after the form had been collected; the clerks who made them would have had no special knowledge about the household, they were simply interpreting the data to make it easier to collate.
I’ve used those Grace’s Guides as well, both here & elsewhere; they’re really useful for background information, aren’t they?
I’ve used those Grace’s Guides as well, both here & elsewhere; they’re really useful for background information, aren’t they?
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Wednesday 04 May 22 11:26 BST (UK) »
The original entry was also quite feint.
The Marriage or Orphanhood column seems to have caused a few problems, and not just for this household. It states for persons aged 15 & over, write single, married, widowed, divorced; for children under 15, write both alive if both parents are alive, father dead if father be dead, mother dead if mother be dead or both dead if both parents be dead. I think this had something to do with assessing the number of orphans after WW1 & the Spanish Flu.
Harry Hales is given as son, single & a packer at Holdens Paint Works, Bordesley Green. The other children are given as parents both alive, amended to father dead, apart from Stanley & Joseph where the initial both alive is changed to NK (not known).
For Joseph it says ‘not named, born Friday 16/6/21’, son, aged 3 days. The d.o.b. should be Friday 17th June 1921 (the census was on Sunday 19th June) and the age 2 days.
Harry Rundle is described as a widower & brass worker at Howes & Burley, Holloway Head; Minnie Hales a housekeeper & widow, house duties.
2022 marks the 150th anniversary of the opening of the Children’s Emigration Homes in Highgate. Among other events, in July there’ll be the launch of a Blue Plaque at St Luke’s Rd, Highgate, where the Homes were established. I intend to be there!
The Marriage or Orphanhood column seems to have caused a few problems, and not just for this household. It states for persons aged 15 & over, write single, married, widowed, divorced; for children under 15, write both alive if both parents are alive, father dead if father be dead, mother dead if mother be dead or both dead if both parents be dead. I think this had something to do with assessing the number of orphans after WW1 & the Spanish Flu.
Harry Hales is given as son, single & a packer at Holdens Paint Works, Bordesley Green. The other children are given as parents both alive, amended to father dead, apart from Stanley & Joseph where the initial both alive is changed to NK (not known).
For Joseph it says ‘not named, born Friday 16/6/21’, son, aged 3 days. The d.o.b. should be Friday 17th June 1921 (the census was on Sunday 19th June) and the age 2 days.
Harry Rundle is described as a widower & brass worker at Howes & Burley, Holloway Head; Minnie Hales a housekeeper & widow, house duties.
2022 marks the 150th anniversary of the opening of the Children’s Emigration Homes in Highgate. Among other events, in July there’ll be the launch of a Blue Plaque at St Luke’s Rd, Highgate, where the Homes were established. I intend to be there!
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Monday 02 May 22 11:20 BST (UK) »
Hello again, Piglet 392006.
Interesting, but the children were never in an orphanage, and Joseph is confused with Stanley who didn’t leave England. Also, Ethel was 17 when she married.
Attached is the 1921 census entry for our errant family at 2, Nora Place, Fulham Road, Sparkhill, B’ham (yes, even in the address there’s something wrong!).
I think I mentioned that I believe my Gran lived with this family for a while to relieve the pressure on Alice Maud (who was very much alive in 1921 in spite of what this census entry suggests), but it’s not her with them here but her brother Les.
Best wishes,
Nodrog50.
Interesting, but the children were never in an orphanage, and Joseph is confused with Stanley who didn’t leave England. Also, Ethel was 17 when she married.
Attached is the 1921 census entry for our errant family at 2, Nora Place, Fulham Road, Sparkhill, B’ham (yes, even in the address there’s something wrong!).
I think I mentioned that I believe my Gran lived with this family for a while to relieve the pressure on Alice Maud (who was very much alive in 1921 in spite of what this census entry suggests), but it’s not her with them here but her brother Les.
Best wishes,
Nodrog50.