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Scotland / Marjorie Dunbar married to Lukas de Stirvelyng of Rathoran
« on: Sunday 21 August 22 15:41 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to identify the wife of Lukas de Stirvelyng of Rathoran, father of Sir William of Striveline
of Ratherne and Keir.

In my research I find multiple reference to Marjorie Dunbar born between (1385 and 1410) of which all say died before 4/23/1429. Unfortunately I don't find any references that identify a document source other than a statement of fact with no backup in web pages. (could there be two women confused connected to the same father and death date?

Most identify her with the same father "Sir George, 11/12 Laird of Annandale.

Spouse are listed
Alexander 2nd Earl of Crawford
Lukas de Stirvelyng of Rathoran
Sir John Swinton


Any insight would be most appreciated!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Translate early Scottish
« on: Sunday 21 August 22 15:15 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Translate early Scottish
« on: Saturday 20 August 22 17:24 BST (UK)  »
If someone could translate this it would be most appreciated. It is from The Stirlings of Keir and Their Family Papers.

 “In curia de Glendochyrt, tenta apud Kandrocht Kilin, per balivum ejusdem a Johanne MºMolcalum M Gregor, petiit firmas suas de terris de Coreheynan. Qui ' Johannes respondebat plane in facie prefate curie, coram omnibus ibidem existentibus, denegauit, et dixit quod non accepit assedationem dictarum • terrarum a dicta domina Margaretta, sed a Deore de Meser, et quod non tenebatur in aliquas firmas de terminis elapsis, quia solvit illas dicto · Deora quo accepit prefatus terras.

I am still learning this site and don't yet know how to directly thank someone once they respond so thanks in advance!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Translate early 1600's Scottish
« on: Monday 08 August 22 00:48 BST (UK)  »
The following text is from "The Stirlings of Keir and their Family Papers". I have been fumbling my way through it but it would really help if someone could translate for me. I would be most appreciative. The words in () are my inserts. [ my tracking #]

ON 23rd May 1621, ' Dominus (Sir) Joannes (John) Stirling de (of) Garden miles, (knight) [SBA903] patruus (gender masculine) Georgii (George) Stirling filii legitimi natu (legitimate children) maximi Domini (greatest lord) Jacobi Stirling feoditarii (feudal lord)' de (of) Keir, ' was retoured (returned) ' propinquior agnatus, (close male relative) id est consanguincus (close ancestor) ex parte patris ipsi Georgio Stirling.#1 In the Commissary Court of Dunblane, on 4th August 1629, George Stirling nominated John Earl of Perth, John Lord Erskine, Archibald Lord Napier [SBA2165], Sir Archibald Stirling of Keir, Sir David Home of Wedderburn, Sir Ludovick Houstoun of that Ilk, John Haldane of Gleneagles, Sir John Stirling of Garden, and William Stirling of Ardoch, his curators, tam ad lites quam ad negotia, during his minority.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: John Griffin born 1878 in Manhattan NY (?)
« on: Monday 09 November 20 00:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Shellyesq,
Yes I found the others but not his.

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US Lookup Requests / John Griffin born 1878 in Manhattan NY (?)
« on: Wednesday 04 November 20 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
     I’m coming back to the well to see if the Rock Stars here can locate a birth record for John Griffin born to Patrick and Nora (Kane) Griffin. In New York 9/1878 according to the US 1900 Census.

 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6LD7-Z96?i=10&cc=1325221&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMSJX-Y8Q)

I have located birth records for all the other siblings- Patrick William jr, Catherine Agnes, William, Thomas, Nora, Joseph and Lizzie which show all were born in Manhattan.

Patrick Griffin “the father” was a butcher in lower Manhattan most likely living at 19 Rector Street at the time of John Griffins birth (1878) according to the NYC directory. From 1872 – 1900 there is only 1 Patrick Griffin “butcher” in lower Manhattan listed for each year in the NY City Directories. They are all the same Patrick Griffin that is father of the subject “John Griffin”

Some of the birth records for the other children have errors in the mothers name.
For example- his brother Patrick William Griffin jr birth record identifies the mother as Honarah (Hand) Griffin but should actually be Nora Kane Griffin.

Thanks so much in advance for any help in finding a birth record for Patrick.

Bill

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request Agnes Elizabeth (Myers-Neville) Mahlmeister
« on: Friday 25 September 20 04:16 BST (UK)  »
I can't find another Florance born 1n Manhattan 1902 with a father william or mother Kate/Catherine/Katherine. I know people often changed their minds on the names shortly after birth. (It's not unheard of) in fact her husband (my grandfather) birth records say is middle name is Michael but all later records indicate his middle name is Joseph. I also cannot find an Agnes Meyers born in New York (or Philadelphia) in 1902 +/1 1 year.

I cannot disprove any of the paper trail using either family search or Ancestry.com.

The names are interesting- William's mothers name was Elizabeth (Agnes's middle name); Kate Griffin's middle name was Agnes- (obviously Agnes's first name). Agnes also named her daughter "Catherine", (another interesting match)

Finally, Kate Griffin married name of Meyers I think nails it.

If I was a betting man I would put money on it. I am going to mark it as 80% certain until I can find something else to prove or disprove this.

I am really impressed at the detective work you two did. That was a really complicated trail!

Thank You again



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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request Agnes Elizabeth (Myers-Neville) Mahlmeister
« on: Friday 25 September 20 03:10 BST (UK)  »
This last entry about about John Nevil adopting her and her mother's maiden name Meyers is very intriguing and would explain a lot- Like why no none ever considered she was adopted. I'll let you know where this takes me.

Thanks!

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup request Agnes Elizabeth (Myers-Neville) Mahlmeister
« on: Thursday 24 September 20 22:09 BST (UK)  »
You guys are awesome. Its going to take me some time to chase these leads and your help is so appreciated. I'll let you (s) know what I find out.


Thanks,
Bill

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