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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Stray Marriages
« on: Saturday 06 February 21 18:17 GMT (UK)  »
thanks to all for interesting suggestions as to why a marriage becomes a "stray". I came across this phrase with a marriage between two people who lived in next door parishes - seemed a bit excessive but apparently they had their reasons!

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The Common Room / Re: Haslemere Surrey, orphanages?
« on: Thursday 03 December 20 18:21 GMT (UK)  »
thanks for the tips, will look into that.

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The Common Room / Haslemere Surrey, orphanages?
« on: Thursday 03 December 20 13:03 GMT (UK)  »
Does anyone know of orphanages or other facilities who took in unwanted babies in Haslemere Surrey between 1925 and 1930?
There was a Cottage Hospital at that time but no indication of a link to finding homes for the babies.
Thank you

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Sussex / Re: illegitimate baby
« on: Wednesday 25 November 20 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
I did visit the Surrey History Centre when I first started looking into this. Admittedly I only went there once so probably didn't really get as much out of it as I could. In truth I was a bit overwhelmed as I hadn't got a clue about how it was organised or how to look for what I wanted, or even what kind of records they hold. At the time I was looking into the birth Mother's family to see if my relative had spent at least some of her childhood with them but they didn't have much on school records – but I did also see the electoral roll for Haslemere.

I see from the links you sent that they are able to allow some digital access during the shutdown so I might be able to dig around a bit more from home.

The Salvation Army is another one of those things I hadn't thought about, they've done a lot of good works over the years, I'm glad they were able to help you.

The adoptive Mother's son seems even more elusive. I've only found a birth record for him, no marriage and obviously no census is applicable. The usual websites threw up a possible connection in Scotland as a company director – which seems a little unlikely. I tried a trawl on Facebook but got nowhere with that – possibly because I have so little to go on.

The birth Mother went on to have 7 more children and I traced one of her Granddaughters, we're now Facebook friends. She is pleased to hear any bits I manage to confirm but her own family has no interest in family history. Her Father (not a descendant) is still alive and may have photographs up in the attic but he doesn't want anyone digging around. I find this rather sad as the stories he could pass on now will be lost forever when he goes, but of course I must respect his wishes and those of the family.

For this reason I don't want to publish any family names and dates on the public chat forum but would be willing to share in a private chat, if that works for you?

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Sussex / Re: illegitimate baby
« on: Wednesday 25 November 20 09:48 GMT (UK)  »
hmm, interesting. If I had DNA from a bunch of people I could maybe find the connections, but as you say it even sounds like a long process. And most of the people I'm looking at are long dead so I can't even think how I'd get hold of a sample for testing.

So my main objective still seems to be to find a strong possibility through all the usual research processes before I can consider this option.

But thanks for the explanation, I'll put it on the back burner.

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Sussex / Re: illegitimate baby
« on: Tuesday 24 November 20 18:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Jo,
Have you been practising telepathy for long? I had exactly the same thought about hospitals this morning.

I found out a little bit about the cottage hospital, which some of the facts are duplicated in the article you sent but the League of Friends gives a lot more information, thanks for that - League of Friends hadn't even crossed my mind and they might be more willing to discuss the social aspects of it's history or even know if I can check any records or not. Brilliant.

I also went back to the address given on her birth certificate and found I may have made a mistake in my original thinking. There's a Heath Cottage (grade 2 listed since 1977) much closer to the town centre. Dene Road looks like it's now called Midhurst Road, with the end closest to Haslemere town (where the cottage is) being known as Shepherd's Hill. The cottage is one of those impossible to tell the exact age of (by an amateur) but is pretty old so probably would have been a bit ramshackle in the 1926.  Purely by coincidence the Cottage Hospital would have been well within walking distance!

The splendid article you linked me to also mentions a St George's maternity home but the dates on this might not be so good as for the cottage hospital. Still, it's a thought.

Who did you approach to enquire about the records for your relative?

Sadly I have no idea as to when she started to be cared for by the adoptive Mother. I know that from age 16 (1943) her first job was nearby to Southwater (near Horsham), and that when she took her own children to visit the adoptive Mother from around 1960 onwards she (the adoptive Mother) was living in Southwater. So – if I've got the right person - although the adoptive Mother was living in Brighton, married and had her son registered there – for some reason they left shortly afterwards and settled in Southwater. I've still got research to do on the husband's family to see if their roots lie in Southwater – 1939 register does give a family of the right surname living there so it's possible, I just need to work out all the generations/connections.

Yes, finding the biological Father is very much a needle in a haystack job, and without any obvious connections (like financial support of some kind) I think I'm unlikely to find him.

The only thing which might give me a clue is if the possible Father has twins running through his family it could be a link to my relative as she had twins herself – I've researched extensively through her birth Mother's side as well as her husband's side and the only twins I've found go back to the early 1800s on her husband's Paternal Grandmother's side so it's all a bit remote. But until I've found the link in the first place I'm not sure what DNA would tell me. (not that I actually have and DNA from my relative or anything to compare it to – or am I missing something here?)

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Sussex / Re: illegitimate baby
« on: Monday 23 November 20 18:47 GMT (UK)  »
sorry just saw the Brentford - I was so excited I missed it!

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Sussex / Re: illegitimate baby
« on: Monday 23 November 20 18:46 GMT (UK)  »
that looks fabulous! Did you see a location for the marriage?
Thanks Ray.

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Sussex / Re: illegitimate baby
« on: Monday 23 November 20 16:09 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there !
Thank you so much for looking into this – that certainly gives me enough to keep me quiet for a while!

Meanwhile I've got a couple of updates.
I tried to get a closed record open on the 1939 – assuming that my relative was with her adoptive Mother in Brighton and it came back as no, not correct. So I'm still baffled as to where she was from birth to 16. It's a bit annoying that you have to know where a person is before they'll open the record – that's the whole point of searching for them isn't it??

Then I started thinking about her birth Mother getting pregnant – who was she working for in Haslemere and who was around her. Edward J Coomber is the obvious one as he was registered at exactly the same address, but it was a cottage in the grounds of a big house well out of the centre of town. I would like him to be a tutor of some kind (the Tonbridge guy) so I was looking for families with children of an appropriate age. Luckily I'd noted the neighbours names from the ER when I first started doing this research so it was a matter of going back to that.

The residents of the big house married in 1924, so any of their children would be too young in 1926/7. (though both their Father's were listed as 'gentlemen' which was a thrill as I haven't come across anyone with money so far – ha ha! )
Likewise the next ones I looked at married in 1920 and the husband came from a family of bankers so I thought a child born before marriage would be unlikely.
However the third one I looked at threw up some interesting possibilities. He's the wonderfully named Weatherill Abbot Strickland born 1898. His Father was from Natal, so maybe that has something to do with the name but thank you all the same! It appears he served in WW1 then qualified as a dentist in 1922, and was in practise in 1925 very close to Dene End house. Then in 1927 he went to Algiers and 1929 to Genoa ( both boats were South African and it might have been a honeymoon trip). He died in 1948 and probate gives his beneficiary as Kathleen, his widow, but I can't find a marriage for them – could they have married abroad? And if so do any websites cover South Africa?

He would have been 28 years old in 1926 and a dashing young dentist might steal anyone's heart so is this my mystery man??

Thoughts please ??

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