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The Common Room / Re: Publishing a finding from research
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 08:21 GMT (UK)  »
BALH was one of the organisations I approached.  After several months their reviewer commented "Why does any of this matter" and had the view this is a highly esoteric investigation into the minutiae of one family's genealogy, and she was not clear why it is significant although I had clearly done a great deal of documentary research.  Her 'verdict' was that while such errors and omissions are probably found in the published pedigrees and biographies of many gentry families, and all published sources ought to be treated with circumspection, that point is not apparent - and as it stands this is a discussion of evidence which is not likely to be of interest to the general reader.

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The Common Room / Re: Publishing a finding from research
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 16:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Spelk, yes Col Adrian Scrope is the grandson of the earlier Sir Adrian.  One of the additional facts I found in my research was that Robert Scrope, son of Sir Adrian, father of Col Adrian, did not die in 1630, as recorded (without sources) in various places, but was still alive when his grandson Robert (Col Adrian's son) died in 1649 (also a change from earlier records which suggested the younger Robert lived into the late 1650s).

He Coombs.  These are not my family, it is from a local history study looking at the Temple family who were lords of the manor of Frankton between 1580 and 1680.

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The Common Room / Publishing a finding from research
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 10:46 GMT (UK)  »
There are two related parts to this note - hope it is not too long.

First of all I would like to thank RootsChat contributors who helped me around two years ago with some assistance in deciphering and interpreting handwriting and contents of some seventeenth century letters when I was trying to resolve some connections within the Temple family.  These helped but still left me with some gaps.  The breakthrough came last year when I was given access to a financial document in a private archive which included the statement 'My sister Mary Temple married Adrian Scroop'.

Following up this statement I have been able to prove that in about 1644 Mary Temple of Frankton, Warwickshire, was indeed the second wife of the regicide Adrian Scroop/Scrope of Wormsley, Buckinghamshire, who was hanged drawn and quartered at Charing Cross in 1660, and to identify several children of this marriage.  There is no direct legal documentation of this marriage (parish registers, licences), apart from the statement in the financial document, so the proof relies on interrelations between about 10 different sources - letters, wills, apprenticeships etc - over a period of more than one hundred years, not helped by the second marriage producing at least three children given the same names as children from Adrian's first marriage.

Adrian Scrope is famous enough to have an entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and a wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Scrope (largely based on the ODNB entry and on the Visitation of Yorkshire) but neither of these, or any other biographical entries, contain any reference to the second marriage and additional children.

The second part of my note is a question - what can I do with this?  It would be good to at least be able to get the wikipedia entry updated, but all good quality wikipedia information requires sources and it should not be used for original research/discoveries.  The correlation of the various sources to prove the marriage is too complex for a simple wiki addition.  I would like to find some way to publish my findings, which wikipedia could then reference.  I have written up my research and offered my article to a couple of history publications but they did not consider Scrope to be important enough to justify publication.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What is this Latin word?
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 10:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What is this Latin word?
« on: Tuesday 06 February 24 09:53 GMT (UK)  »
This is from a 1587 church register entry.  I can understand that Anthony Leson was buried but what is the descriptive word?  It could be describing him as a gent - he was lord of the manor - but I cannot match the word in any latin dictionaries.


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London and Middlesex / St Andrew by the Wardrobe
« on: Saturday 21 January 23 09:59 GMT (UK)  »
I am interested in a marriage from 1643/4 at St Andrew by the Wardrobe.

I can find a record on FamilySearch, and with an image on Ancestry which shows me the text from the register and shows a marriage between 'Adryan Scobe' and 'Marie Kempe' on 6 Jan 1643.  The image shows that this record is a handwritten transcription (all the entries clearly written in the same hand, none of the variation that would be seen in an original register).

I would like to know if there is any chance that the original register might be available - I want to see whether this could be a mistranscribed entry for a marriage I am looking for between Adrian Scrope and Mary Temple.

The LMA index suggests their data is what has been imaged for Ancestry.  Is there anywhere else I might find the original?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What is this word?
« on: Thursday 10 November 22 22:46 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you both

My literal interpretation had been presents, recognising the 'pre-' construct, but I could not see how that fitted in the context - Jen's explanation helped.

I am less interested in producing an accurate textual transcription of the document than an understanding of what it means, which is why I used the modern spellings.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / What is this word?
« on: Thursday 10 November 22 16:33 GMT (UK)  »
This is a small snip from a large legal document from 1658.

I have highlighted a word that appears three times in the image.  In the context of the document it is possible that this word could be 'consents' but all the information I can find on interpreting early modern english suggests that the abbreviated form of 'con-' is shaped more like a numeral 9 than the shape in my image.

If I am correct, the three lines would read
.. said Thomas Temple doth by these [consents] acknowledge and thereof ..
.. by these [consents] and for an in consideration of the sum of five ..
.. and by these [consents] do clearly and absolutely grant ..


Can anyone show me any confirmation that my interpretation of the text is correct?

Thank you

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The Common Room / Richard Temple 1703 Administration
« on: Wednesday 03 August 22 08:43 BST (UK)  »
I am researching a Richard Temple and particularly his death in 1703.

From a published genealogical study in 1899 I have an entry stating

April 21st 1703.  Commission to Dame Mary Molesworth, widow, sister of Richard Temple, Ar., late a Captain in the Legion of the Hon Coll Columbine, bachelor, dec.

I have found military records showing that Temple joined Columbine's regiment and in 1702/3 probably died at sea in the West Indies.

In the appendix to the 1899 book there is a listing of "wills and administration of persons of the name of Temple, from 1383 to 1796, on file in Doctors' Commons, London, England" which shows an entry

1703  Richard Temple.  Parts beyond sea.  Admin.

My questions are:
I would like to confirm the administration record.  Reading around suggests that the "Doctors Commons" may be generic and may include records now in the National Archive.  In the TNA records I am led towards PROB 6/79 Administration Act Book for 1703, with 251 portfolios. 

Am I looking in the right place?
Would this show me anything useful beyond confirming what I have from the 1899 book?  For example are there any details of the contents or value of the estate in administration?  The NA guide also suggests that the entry may be in Latin, is this correct?

I am trying to decide whether or not it is worth the trip to TNA to look for the record.

Thank you for any guidance

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