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Kildare / McCLEANs from Killybegs-Clane
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 15:55 BST (UK)  »
  Good afternoon all,
My McClean ancestors were going back and forth to Dublin from the Kilybegs/Clane area in the 18th c.,. The 1798 Claimants have them losing a considerable amount of property in the rebellion and at the time were linen weavers in Cott, Killybegs (bordering Ballynagappagh).  It seems there was a number of them in the area until the mid 19th c (also in Millicent, Loughbollard, Firmount aka Keapock, and Curryhills) and this may have been their place of settlement.  MacLeans were a mercenary family and in the 1540 Extent of Irish monastic possessions, it was written that the tenants of Killybegs paid no customs or exactions and enjoyed 100 acres of common pasture in return for "coign and livery" which was the quartering of the lord's galloglass & kerne in their homes.

  My branch of the family had gone into Offaly by the 19th c., so I have no knowledge or contact of any of the McCleans who may have stayed around Killybegs/Clane and would love to get in touch with that part of the family.  Also if any McClean men from the area who have a papertrail to these Killybegs/Clane McCleans are willing to partake in genetic research, I'd gladly send a BigY700 test from FamilyTreeDNA at no cost to them as a thank you for advancing the research.

Chris McLain

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Ireland / Early 18th cent. Exchequeur Court Records - Any further info?
« on: Sunday 19 March 23 13:05 GMT (UK)  »
I recently found relatives in several court documents and I'm wondering if anything survives anywhere that can help me ascertain just what these were about.  In the 1701 bill, one Fergus McClean was a defendant with an Aungier Gordon.  I know Fergus was in or around Abbeylara, Co. Longford and he or his son (likely the Fergus in the 1733 bill) is recorded there in 1721, 27, 66 parish lists. I've only been able to successfully cross-reference who the Aungier Gordon was. He was a proprietor of several townlands in Granard parish & Abbeylara and likely a maternal relative of Lord Francis Aungier, Baron Longford who held this area c1655 Down Survey. Gordon is a grantor in many early 18th century deeds, however there are no McCleans as either grantees or grantors, so it doesn't seem like they were yeomen, or either had a pre-1708 holding that was at the end of it's lease in this timeframe.  I'm thinking Fergus could have also been employed as a Smith (which was my family profession) or Mr. Gordon's bailiff.  Any insight would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you!


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Cavan / LEAHY from Ballymachugh (Mac an Leagha? Mac Dhuinnsleibhe?)
« on: Tuesday 27 December 22 18:01 GMT (UK)  »
While investigating the most dense portion of my McClean surname cluster which is on the Cavan-side of Lough Sheelin (several freeholds in Ballymachugh parish with 20-100 acres being farmed by McCleans; a little too significant to overlook). I noticed the townlands were inundated with Leahy/Laughy/Lahy families and they seemed distinct from the clusters of Ó Laochdha (and similar) names around Ireland.  Numerous but geographically isolated, it seems these Leahys are probably a mutated variant of another name.   It reminded me of "Mac an Leagha" (son of the Physician) which is concentrated around Kilmore and mostly anglicized to MacAlea, McCanley, McLee, Lee, but sometimes erroneously anglicized to McClean (Mac Leagh'an?) which for a long time in the back of my mind could be the origin of my McCleans.  There are many origins for "Lee" and analysis of the name alone is too open-ended and numerous.  Digging a little further, there is Mac Dhuinnsleibhe around Granard (Dunleavy/Leavy) which was noted to be a family of physicians from Ulster that was scattered in the 12th/13th centuries, but occurred there mostly as O'Duinnsleibhe in Donegal.  However, a Mac prefix would aspirate the "D" creating "Mac'anleavy, which if losing its internal "Bh" fricative, creates Mac'anlea and Mc'Alay.  Checking the Elizabethan fiants of Annaly (Longford) in the 1580s reveal "M'Enleavie" and "M'Enlea" individuals around Granard and Killoe parishes. I'm wondering if any of the Cavan Leahys unearthed the same possibilities.  If any are out there and would like to do joint research, or would like to participate in YDNA to actually prove or disprove these origins, please get in touch with me.  I run the "Cenel Brenainn Project" on FamilyTreeDNA..
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/mc-govern/activity-feed

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Cavan / McCLEANs from Tullyboy area (Ballymachugh-Kilbride parishes)
« on: Thursday 08 December 22 15:49 GMT (UK)  »
  I'm searching for any McCleans from the large family that seems to have farmed the entire western half of Tullyboy townland, who were also around Lisduff, Ballaghanna, Ballyheelan, etc.  I've only come across family trees done by maternal descendants of them so I haven't been able to find any living McCleans with links to this area. 

  My ancestors came from Drumcree, Co. Westmeath not very far from Tullyboy, and the given names & occupations seem very common with this larger family from Kilbride parish.  As the first record of my family in Drumcree is 1675, the connection is beyond paper genealogy.  Ideally I would like to find a willing male descendant of this family who would like to take part in Y-DNA genealogy, at no cost to him.  I've also gone this route with a McClean from Drumgoa, Co. Cavan in recent years but that individual was unrelated. 

The Macleans, originally a highland mercenary family in the 15/16th centuries were recruiting and absorbing native Irishmen where they were billeted. So most likely (just as I am as well as the McClean from Drumgoa) the McCleans in Tullyboy have native Irish Y-DNA, and originate in this area and are either linked to my line, or Drumgoa.

Attached is some older records I plotted onto a map while studying the surname distribution, and this could either be one popuation or two.

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Monaghan / KEELANs from Ardragh
« on: Thursday 08 September 22 18:51 BST (UK)  »
Hey folks, I'm a McLain whose family came from the Meath/Westmeath border, and the name was really MacKeelane which became conflated with the Scottish MacLean.  "Keelan" has some unclear theories on it's origin, some say it is from "Caolain" (slender lad) but it may in fact be an abbreviation of Keelaghan/Keleghan (from O'Ceileachain).  It seems this theory holds some water and I've been researching the name.  The reason I've picked Ardagh is because as far as existing records go, it has the longest Keelan tenancy presence with very large acreage (several hundred acres in 1854 in the adjoining townlands of Ardragh and Greaghlatacapel) were farmed by Keelans in the Griffiths Valuation.  Also the presence of a Bryan McKeelan being the sole payer of the Hearth tax here in 1663 indicates it is probably a very old seat of the family. 

I have since been building a Keelaghan/Keleghan/Keelan/Keelane DNA group on FamilyTreeDNA https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/kelahan/about and am searching for a Keelan who has a paper trail to Ardragh or adjoining townlands to take part in the DNA project. At this time there are no Keelans anywhere in the Y-chromosome database, and much is to be discovered about this family lineage and whether or not they are really a branch of the Keelaghans (of which there are 3 participants in the group) or spawned from a separate surname (an individual named Caolain?).
  If any Keelan men are willing, send me a message and I'd be happy to purchase and send a Y-test to you.  Thank you in advance to anyone who has any interest.  If you know any Keelans from Ardragh, please forward this message to them.

Chris McLain

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Cavan / McKEELAN & KEELAN in Clankee barony
« on: Saturday 16 July 22 13:46 BST (UK)  »
I'm a Mac Caolain whose ancestors were around Kilkeelan, Co. Meath (Coill Caolain) since the 16th century and my YDNA points to an East Breifne origin.  I think this was part of a larger family that settled around what is today Shercock, Bailieborough, (near Crossmakeelan: Crois Mac Caolain) and was once part of Clann Chaoich an Feadha (Clan Kee of the Wood).  If any McKeelan from Cavan interested and would like to participate, I'd be happy to send a YDNA test from FamilyTreeDNA to establish whether we are or related or not.  It could also be these names spawned from two separate individuals named Caolain.  The reason I am specifically looking for someone with a papertrail in this area is because the name O'Ceilachan in Monaghan-Louth also anglicized to Keelan as it dropped a syllable somehow.

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Meath / Re: Preston family from Meath
« on: Monday 06 June 22 15:45 BST (UK)  »
By the 18th century, the Preston surname was scattered all over Ireland although they were very early associated with Meath.  This may be your permanent brick wall, rarely is any research possible in Ireland pre-1800 unless it's within one of the few big cities whose churches kept good records.  However Nick, the fact that you are a direct male descendant, I would recommend a YDNA test from FamilyTreeDNA (they specialize in the Y-line genetics, its not one of those "ethnicity test" fads).  This will put you in touch with either close or far Preston connections as well as people related to your Preston line before Preston was even the surname.  It's definitely possible to narrow down a geographic area of origin this way.  If you take the test and need any help, dont hesitate to shoot me a message.

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Meath / KEELANs near Athboy/Rathmore (also Kellan, Kellean, M'Kelane, M'Clane)
« on: Thursday 28 April 22 13:56 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for any Keelans or Keelanes (also Clane/Clean/Killane etc) regardless of O/Mac prefix who are native to the Athboy/Rathmore area.

After doing a lot of work & research, I believe this Meath surname may have originated in this area, specifically near Kilkeelan (Coill Chaolain; "Caolain's Wood") in the parish of Athboy, and that a significant amount of this family had a Mac prefix (MacCaolain) which anglicized M'Keallayn, M'Kelane, M'Clane and later got conflated with MacLean (MacGiollaEain, a highland family from Mull) to the point of not being able to tell them apart (as there was a large family of MacLeans near Killeshandra).  Traces of this MacCaolain family is evident in another townland in Cavan, Crossmakeelan (Crois Mhic Caolain; "MacCaolain's Crossroads") near which a half-dozen McKealanes/McCallanes were noted as rebels in the 1641 dispositions.  The MacCaolain's may have been largely dispersed from the Athboy area after the Norman invasion, as the area was heavily planted with Anglo-Norman families.

However, the earliest reference to Kilkeelan is in the Gormanstown register in the year 1418 during a land dispute between the Lord of Athboy & Lord of Rathmore, where a jury tried the issue, led by one "Wyllam O'Cwyllane of Kylchewllane" (William O'Caolain of Coill Chaolain) in the manor of Athboy who decided which lord rightfully possessed the Balmartin Bog (Martinstown, Athboy p.).  In the tudor fiants, on 16 April 1558, a "Teige M'Kelane, husbandman, of Balruntagh, Co. Meath" was pardoned for the death of James O'Corregan of Moyagher. Balruntagh was part of the Manor of Rathmore, adjoining the Manor of Athboy. 

The papertrail of my own "MacKellain" ancestors emerge from the Killallon, Meath-Collinstown, W'Meath area in the early 18th century.  I believe that because the Plunkett family became landowners of the manors of Rathmore and Killallon in the late 15th cent., the MacCaolains spread in the direction of Killallon as tenants.

The reason I am searching for Keelans (or similar anglicizations) near Athboy is because the larger number of "Keelan" families are on the Meath/Monaghan/Louth border area, many of which may in fact be O'CEILACHAN, a sept of Oriel which also anglicized to Keelan.

I believe a great many of MacCaolains became "McClean/McClane" just by an emphasis on the last syllable, pronouncing it "LAYN".  There is also a type of anglicization called "Attraction", where a smaller lesser known family anglicizes their name the way a larger more well-known family does, a great example of this are the O'Melaghlins turning into MacLoughins.  So in many cases, the actual prefix plays no part. It's also possible that once the name anglicized to "M*K*LAY*N" , a prefix drop would change it to "Lane" (as there are Lanes in the Athboy RC parish records), adding yet another anglicization to the original name.

Whether this name originally had an O-prefix and a branch of them changed to "Mac" is tenuous but it seems it is the same family.  There also seems to be a point in medieval gaelic Ireland where "O" and "Mac" meant relatively the same thing as opposed to their literal meanings of descendant of vs son of.

I would love to get in touch with any members of this family and research together, as well as purchase a Y-DNA test for a male Keelan if he is willing, to see if this theory of mine holds water surrounding the (Mac)Keelans that came from Kilkeelan, Co. Meath.


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Westmeath / Looking for KILLANE from CARN & RATHDUFF (for possible Y-DNA research)
« on: Wednesday 17 February 21 19:29 GMT (UK)  »
I'm looking for any Killanes from the Rathduff area to see if there is a possible interest in doing Y-chromosome DNA comparison.

I'm a McLain, whose family came from the Moate-Clara area. For a long time I've taken the surname for what it's attributed to (Scottish MacGiollaEain), but not only does YDNA indicate these people were originally Connachta and in Westmeath since at least the 13th century (via a timeframe of a Gorry match from Westmeath) but as I dug up more and more records, there seems to be the larger and larger possibility that the name was originally Mac Cilleain, and I've found multiple instances of "Clane" or "Killane" families in the area adding or dropping a Mac prefix.

"Cilleain" was a diminutive name for "Cillin" and the accepted surname that Killane is attributed to is O'Cillin which seems to have several variants (Killeen, Kelleen, Killean, Killane, Killean).

The reason I am looking for a Killane from Rathduff is that the family that was (or maybe still is) around Rathduff was managing to hold on to ancestral land and descended from the O'Cillin that were here over 400 years ago and had managed to stay in the same place unlike most other people constantly moving, so it eliminates the coincidence of a similar surname in the area.  The townlands around Rathduff itself (especially Carn and Ballymurry) were all part of the territory of "Calry" under the Magawley.   The 1659 census shows that one of the principal names of Ballyloughloe parish was KILLEEN with 5 families present.  It is likely they were inhabiting this area of Rathduff/surrounding farms.  A 1600 pardon list notes "Nich. O'Killine of the Karne" being pardoned among the Magawleys.  The Moate Quaker congregation records note a "James McLane of Ballymurry" attending meetings 1770-78. Records from 1826 through the 1911 census show a James Killane family farming at least 16 acres in Rathduff (Often spelled Clane , Clain, Kellane, but mostly Killane).  These three surnames all on practically adjoining townlands, which were in Magawley hands into the 1660s point to an original medieval gaelic tenancy of the O'Cillin family.  Also closer to Clara where my ancestors pop up in 1770 is a James Killeen in Cloghatanny, then a decade later an Andrew McClane in Cloghatanny, who names a son James, and then goes by the surname "Clane" for some time.

Earliest odd variations of spellings of my ancestors surname in parish registers like "Mc Elean, McClene, and MacKlaine" may be more coincidences of Mac Cilleain.

My working theory at this time is that either there was a variant surname of MacCillin (-eain) existing at the same time as O'Cillin (-eain) or that during the 17th century there may have been an anglicization where after the O-prefix had dropped, a part of this family added a "Mac" prefix either during a temporary resurgence of the irish language or they had moved into a predominantly Irish speaking area.

If any Westmeath folks know of this family and think they would be interesting in participating in a Y-DNA test or at least comparing some research, I would be grateful for you getting in touch.  Thank you!

Chris McLain Beal

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