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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« on: Saturday 08 September 07 21:54 BST (UK)  »
Well at least I have more options to explore.
I would have thought Hori must be connected to the Kemps perhaps illegit even?Why would he be with them aged 13 in 1841?Did people adopt back then?
I was reading about the Riots in Selborne and surrounding areas in 1830 and there were apparently soldiers staying at the Compass Inn of the Life Guard regiment.Do you think it feasible that George Norman was one of these?Or maybe I'm getting carried away...........
Thanks again

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« on: Saturday 08 September 07 08:41 BST (UK)  »
Hi again thanks for your help.
We do think that George Norman was real because later on many grandsons were in the military.Esp Cavalry regiments.We have a Charles frederick Norman b1875 Selborne whose mother was Harriet 1853-1877 (illegit) son.She was Hori's daugh.
Anyway this chap joined the 1st Life Guards in Nov 1896 and served in South Africa during the Boer War.
I believe Henry Norman b1875 son of George 1849-1877 also had a military career.
Also the sons of Henry 1850-1926 joined up prior WW1.Harry Norman b1882 was in the 12th Prince of Wales Royal Lancers and was killed in Belgium in 1915 he has a war grave there.
My husbands grandfather also has a war grave Thomas Norman b1887 he was in the Royal Engineers as a Sapper and also died in 1915.His War Grave is in St Mays Churchyard in Selborne.
So there is a strong military tradition.
Also Jasper Norman another brother of the above was aboard the Lusitania's final voyage and perished again in 1915 he is on the passenger list.App he was returning to enlist after visiting his sister Elizabeth Scammell nee norman in New york.1915 was a dreadful year for the Norman's in Selborne.
I thought Elizabeth Kemp may be the ideal one for poss Horis mother simply because of the name but as you said it could be any one of them!
It certainly is a mystery! yes Ambly I'm on ancestry still! Will look them up!
Yes the Christmases are connected to the Cannons via marriage I believe 3 of Ellen's sisters Frances m Thomas Christmas in 1834 and Mary Ann m James in 1834 and Elizabeth m Eli Christmas in 1838.One of them had a daughter called Mary Christmas can you believe that!!!!!
Thanks

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Re: Hori Norman of Selborne
« on: Friday 07 September 07 12:53 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your replies!i'm really chuffed to have had some help!
Hori & Ellen Norman's marriage took place on 4th August 1849 St Mary's Selborne,marriage notes - Hori Norman,of full age,bachelor,bricklayer,residing Selborne,father George Norman,Soldier.Ellen Cannons,of full age,spinster,residing Selborne,father William Cannons,Labourer.
Witnesses Eli Christmas and Elizabeth Christmas.
Children of Hori & Ellen:
George born bef 28 Nov 1849 Selborne died 1877 Selborne
Henry born bef 4 Jan 1851 Selborne died 14 Feb 1926 Selborne (this chap was my hubbys great grandfather.
Harriet b1853 -1877 Selborne
Rose 1855- Selborne
Rebecca 1858 "
Maria b 18 Oct 1859 d 19 Oct 1859 Selborne.
Most of them married in st Marys so I would have thought there would be Norman baptisms there!
Going back to the Kemps I would have thought they could be Horis grandparents too.I've looked at the list of their children and the most likely one could be Elizabeth b1804 who's not on the IGI.Poss she could have died giving birth to Hori in 1828 maybe in Liverpool after all George Norman could have been stationed there?Its all very tantalizing!
I will try and do some further research as you say the names could be a clue.It looks like they all had huge families- no tv back then ha ha!
this is great cheers!
Sue

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Hampshire & Isle of Wight / Hori Norman of Selborne
« on: Thursday 06 September 07 18:24 BST (UK)  »
Need fresh ideas on where to look next into the parentage of Hori Norman bc 1828 in Liverpool,At Sea or Selborne variously according to all Censuses.
In 1841 he is living in Selborne with George & Elizabeth Kemp but it does not show how he is related to them.George is a stonemason and indeed Hori becomes a stonemason too.
In 1849 Hori marries Ellen Cannon in Selborne and his father attends the Wedding he is named George Norman a soldier. i presume his mother had died.
Bearing in mind the date does anyone know of any barracks around the Selborne area? I would like to find out the regiment and also if there were any wars going on around that time?
Any new suggestions would be welcome.
Hori Norman was my husbands gg grandfather.

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