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Suffolk / Re: Martha Garwood born abt 1785 possibly Suffolk
« on: Tuesday 26 October 21 16:47 BST (UK)  »
Thank you again!
That sorts out the three Martha nicely. I had seen the Rachel burial, but the transcription I saw didn't mention her parents, so that confirms she died before reaching adulthood. And also little James.
Jonathan jnr is interesting. I had seen the Brockley Garwoods but hadn't followed them through. That might give a clue as to where Jonathan snr was from if Jonathan jnr moved to where he had relatives.

Even though he would be our Martha's half brother, there might still be a small DNA link through Jonathan snr, if he had descendants and they have tested. I'll look into Garrods too. It seems that some Garwoods have been recorded with that spelling.

Suffolk / Re: Martha Garwood born abt 1785 possibly Suffolk
« on: Monday 25 October 21 15:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the baptism information, it gives me two more children

Jonathan married Martha Grimstone on 23 feb 1778
 Children: Jonathan 1780
               Martha #1 bapt Apr 1782 buried 25 July 1782
               Martha # 2 bapt Dec 1783
As Martha (her mother) died on 14 Oct 1783, it is possible she died shortly after giving birth and Martha #2 wasn't baptised until 2 months later

Jonathan married Mary Aldridge widow (nee Mouser) on 16 Mar 1785
Children: William 1785
               Martha #3 1787
               James. 1794

the puzzle now is what happened to Jonathan jnr and when and where did Martha #2 die?

I don't know what happened to John, Rachel and James from the second set of children either.

Jonathan snr's birth and death are eluding me as well. He seems to have been a breeches maker when in Halesworth, but became a farmer later in Metfield. He seems to have gone bankrupt in 1796 according to newspaper reports. John Aldridge is described as a yeoman, so may be his farm passed to his widow then to Jonathan.

Suffolk / Re: Martha Garwood born abt 1785 possibly Suffolk
« on: Monday 25 October 21 12:52 BST (UK)  »
Martha, the wife of Jonathan Garwood, was 30 when she died on 14 Oct. 1783, according to the Revd Francis Haslewood's churchyard inscriptions of Halesworth in the Proceedings of the Suffolk Institute of Archaeology (1896, Volume IX, Part 2, page 245).

Thank you very much, my theory about Jonathan's first marriage looks right. I haven't found baptisms of any children for them, but there were two Garwood infant burials in Halesworth - Robert 16 Nov 1778 and Martha 25 July 1782, I wondered if they were Jonathan and Martha's children

Suffolk / Re: Martha Garwood born abt 1785 possibly Suffolk
« on: Sunday 24 October 21 14:30 BST (UK)  »
Taken from Metfield parish register

Martha d/o Jonathan and Mary Garwood late Aldridge widow baptised 12th March 1787
William 11th December 1785
John 27th Jan 1788
Rachel 3rd May 1789
James 25th Dec 1794

OH has a DNA match of 22 cM across 2 segments with a descendent of William 1785, so the connection between Martha and this family is looking good.
Now to find out a bit more about Jonathan Garwood. I have found a possible first marriage in Ilketshall St Andrew to a Martha Grimstone on 23 Feb 1778. There is a death for a Martha Garwood in 1783 in Halesworth but no mention of age.

The Common Room / Re: Father absent at Baptism??
« on: Friday 22 October 21 09:07 BST (UK)  »
The baptism record would just show who were ( or stated to be) the parents of the child - neither need to be actually present at the baptism. One of OH's ancestors was orphaned when he was very young and baptised when he was about 20, the year before married. The baptism record shows his parents' names even though they were long dead, and makes no mention that they were deceased.     

Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Taylor Family (Shoemakers) in Compton near Newbury.
« on: Wednesday 20 October 21 10:40 BST (UK)  »
And I think Benedict (above) married in Thatcham, had family with wife Elizabeth in Chilton, and both were buried there in 1731. Can't find what happened to their young orphaned children. It's often useful to track other family members, one of John and Elizabeth's children might have married someone who came from the place J and E originated from.

Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Taylor Family (Shoemakers) in Compton near Newbury.
« on: Wednesday 20 October 21 10:36 BST (UK)  »

To add to what Lizzie has suggested re East Hendred;
8-11-1691  John      Taylour s/o John & Elizabeth
6-11-1692  Thomas     "        "      "              "
24-10-1693 Elizabeth   "      d/o    "               "
22-9-1695   Mary         "       "      "               "
2=10-1696 Annamaria  "      "       "               "
14-9-1697  Jane           "       "      "               "
12-3-1698  Ann            "      "       "               "    bur; 22-11-1699
22-4-1700 Bemedickin [sic] Taylo   "              "
18-5-1703 Ann             "         "     "              "
9-4-1705 William          "        s/o   "              "

I think 1705 is too young to be the one we're looking for. He would be only 16 at marriage. And if he was the cooper who took on an apprentice in 1723, that is definitely too young.
A boy would typically start an apprenticeship around 14 years of age. they were usually for 7 years, so that takes him to 21. Then he would need a few years to establish himself in business. Some might continue to work as a paid employee for their former master for a few years before setting up in business for themselves, which might necessitate moving to another location if the village where they were wasn't large enough to support two businesses in the same trade.
I can't find an apprenticeship record for William himself, but FindMyPast records only start at 1710.

Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Taylor Family (Shoemakers) in Compton near Newbury.
« on: Wednesday 20 October 21 10:24 BST (UK)  »

29-6-1789     Ruth Taylor - pauper w/o William (as listed by Lizzie)
29-9-1797     William Taylor - Infant (see Lizzie's entry)

Looks like William Taylor infant was the son of Thomas and Dinah nee Daniels who married in Lambourn on 19 Nov 1792

Ruth is possibly Ruth Ballard who married William Taylor of Faringdon at Ardington in either 1763 or 1764 - two transcriptions agree on date of 23 Nov but differ on year. Can't find any children for this couple to know where they settled after marriage.

I can't see they're related to the Compton Taylors at least not closely.

Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: Taylor Family (Shoemakers) in Compton near Newbury.
« on: Wednesday 20 October 21 09:39 BST (UK)  »
A John Taylor married an Elizabeth Mason in West Challow on 6 nov 1676.  Earlier than expected given date of bapt of first child in Lambourn, but there could have been earlier one(s) in West Challow.

Forget that, much to early given that J and E's last child was baptised in 1705, and possibly a Noah in E H in 1710

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