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Aha! Ruskie, thank you very much. Why couldn't I find that? I did Google various terms before asking for help.

This is wonderful! Now I know what HWT means (=Higher Western Terrace) and I can actually see the plot number on that map. Wow!! That's almost as good as having the original stone still standing.

This particular couple means a lot to me. I've grown very fond of them over the years as I pieced together their story. Thank you. 

Cheers,
Westoe

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Two of my ancestors were buried in St James' Cemetery, Liverpool - one in 1860's, one in 1870's.

I have looked up their burials online at familysearch.org and, on the index register films, their grave locations appear to be identical. Plus then I looked up their individual burial records on film which gave only the usual brief information.

However I am wondering if there are any extant cemetery plans which would give me some idea of where in that large, now-cleared-and-turned-into-park, space they were buried.

Does anyone know?

All help gratefully received.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Occupation Interests / Re: Interpretation of Mariner record
« on: Wednesday 12 December 18 04:20 GMT (UK)  »
Duplicate posting deleted.

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Occupation Interests / Re: Interpretation of Mariner record
« on: Wednesday 12 December 18 04:17 GMT (UK)  »
In 1870 there were at least three vessels named MAGDALA registered in Liverpool;
   MAGDALA - Official Number (usually abbreviated as O/N or O.N.) was 35049 - 798 tons - sail
   MAGDALA - O/N was 59187 - 1140 tons - sail
   MAGDALA - O/N was 60088 - 1358 tons - steam

Since this crew agreement includes 1st, 2nd and 3rd Mates, it was unlikely to have been the first above-named, but you'll have to check whether the agreement has any men ranked as fireman, donkeyman or stoker (ranks used aboard steam ships) to know which of the other two named above was yours.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Occupation Interests / Re: Merchant Mariner help deciphering record
« on: Wednesday 28 November 18 01:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again, siptree,

In the image that you have posted, I cannot read the details. I'm pretty sure that I can explain the notations, but I want to see them clearly first. Though I'm on the road right now, I know that I have some printout pages from BT 112 in my "samples" book at home. If no one else has answered you before then, I'll post again next week after checking my printouts.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Occupation Interests / Re: Merchant Mariner help deciphering record
« on: Tuesday 27 November 18 03:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello siptree,

Have you read through the pertinent TNA finding aids?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/bt112-116-120.pdf

Cheers,
Westoe

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Canada / Re: Unfamiliar Destination
« on: Thursday 01 November 18 16:28 GMT (UK)  »
Please give some context for this last question as there are plenty of ONEIDAs in Canada, that name being one of the tribes of the Six Nations.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Northumberland / Re: sea trading from Blyth
« on: Wednesday 10 October 18 21:23 BST (UK)  »
Erm ... last post from me this go-round.

Tricia, was your John Knott born at Bridlington in 1830?

If yes, his masters' certificate number was 22,223 issued at Newcastle in 1863. Certificates were mandatory after 1850.

Ancestry has the "U.K. Masters and Mates" database. Have a look there both by name and certificate number, then be sure to use both the backward and forward scroll arrows to see all the pages in his file. It may include his "Record of Service" listing all his previous ships, dates aboard and ranks aboard. Sometimes it also includes letters of reference from previous masters and (very) occasionally a baptismal certifcate as proof of age.

Cheers,
Westoe

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Northumberland / Re: sea trading from Blyth
« on: Wednesday 10 October 18 20:44 BST (UK)  »
A bit more for you TriciaK,

MESSENGER's Commercial Code Signal was T. P. S. H.

That means that she flew those 4 letter flags in that order which allowed her to be visually identified even from a distance through a telescope. Just as the Official Number was a unique identifier of her hull, this was a unique visual identifier of her. If ever you find a painting of her, it should include that string of letter flags.

Here's a link to signal code flags:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Code_of_Signals

Here is her code given in one of many, free online, volumes of The Mercantile Navy List:
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages?regtype=MNL&year=1870&name=MESSENGER&steamsail=Sail&page=268

However ... she was not totally wrecked in 1882. She simply left the Tyne (Keys' book deals only with Tyne-registered vessels) and was re-registered elsewhere. The 1930 Mercantile Navy List has her registered as a barge in Liverpool under her same Official Number.
Here's the link:
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages?regtype=MNL&year=1930&name=MESSENGER&steamsail=Sail&page=1102

Her 1879 Crew Agreement (the year that Keys mentions the master's name as Knott) is at the Maritime History Archive at Memorial University in Newfoundland, CANADA. You can buy images from them tho' they are not cheap. It is a Type E2 agreement and this is what page 1 will look like:
https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/code_e_ph.php

It would be worth your while to spend a few hours noodling around this source:
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/

Cheers,
Westoe

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