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William,

Thanks for your prompt response!

You are quite right - the months are in Latin, and now that I look at it, I can see it is Martius.

The problem was , it didn't look like any of the other March entries, but I see now that the connection from the "bottom middle prong" of the M to the top of the upper right corner is faint - and the loop at the start is very pronounced... but I can see it now!

Thank you, it did make sense as she was born 2nd March.

Yes you could be right - the images aren't all that similar... but then again I have photos of myself that look completely different...

The problem in trying to identify the photos is that I suspect that at least one of them may have been submitted online by someone who has themselves passed on..

It seems at least that the dating of the photo is something we can work with - circa 1860 ... so it is definitely not any of Agnes or William's children as older adults... and there are no siblings in Australia of either of them... and no parents...

The only other possibility would be if someone has mixed these photos up with another family entirely. There are many descendants of Agnes who have these photos up on ancestry - again... one person puts it up and every man and his dog copies... so tracing where they came from originally is difficult - and even then, the person who came across the photos initially may not be sure where they came from...

So we can at least say these photos are "believed to be" of Agnes and Agnes/William.

The baby could also be in fact their eldest grandchild who was born the same year as their youngest child.

Thanks again for all the comments, all interesting and helpful 

Help please in dating photographs. I am trying to determine if the lady in both photos is my g-g-g-grandmother. The photos are taken in Australia. I realise they are not very clear photos, but an approximate decade would help. I have a thought about the date but won't say as I don't want to "lead" anyone... just to see if another's guess is the same as mine. 
There are a number of photos online circulating said to be of this lady - some at a much younger age. I believe a lot of the photos online are not of her, but of her daughter who had the same name, Agnes.

If the date suggested is well past her date of death, (again I don't want to "lead") then obviously it can't be of her...

Unfortunately the photos have been copied and shared so many times that no-one seems to know the provenance of the photos.

Any help appreciated, thanks

I thought I had responded to this but just found that I hadn't. I did get a very timely response from State Records which was as follows:

Dear Anne
Thank you for your email.
The Bench Brisbane Waters means the Bench of Magistrates (now Local Court) at Brisbane Waters. It seems to me without undertaking research as though
he may have been held to give evidence or to be interviewed in relation to matter coming before the bench.

Thanks all for all the helpful comments.

Yes I agree Intr must stand for Interior - I didn't think to look back at other pages as the abbreviation was used elsewhere on the same page, but after going back several pages I did find an entry "Interior to Parramatta" and there were also several "Intr to Parramatta" references.

It makes sense because in those days anything outside the Sydney township was considered "the Interior".

Dawn, thanks for your suggestion of contacting State Records. I will do that to see if I can get more information. The Entrance book doesn't give any indication of why John was incarcerated. I did check the archives guides, and the description there of these books indicated that there should be such information and a lot more, but this particular book doesn't have that sort of detail. Perhaps different gaols kept books of different detail. Oh and yes I do know the location of Brisbane Waters, but thanks because it could be a wild goose chase for anyone who didn't realise!

John arrived in 1835 on "England" - he was at Liverpool in 1837, followed by Bathurst in 1839, where he first got his TOL. He next went to Botany and then Brisbane Waters in 1840. His TOL from 1839 was updated with each move showing his new location. In February 1841 he applied for permission to marry a Mary Green and there are a couple of records of this application and banns of marriage were pronounced. However it appears that the marriage did not go ahead for some reason as there is no record of the marriage and shortly afterward in August 1841 Mary married a Samuel Pearse.

John eventually married Catherine Moran in 1855, by which time they already had 6 children (!) though 3 had died. The first, my g-g-grandmother was born around 1845 in East Gosford.

I have only just become aware of this episode in 1843 in between the time he broke up with Mary and took up with Catherine, thanks to the records becoming available on Ancestry.

I will post back if I hear anything further from State Records (might take a few weeks!)

Thanks again

Anne