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Yorkshire (West Riding) / George Armitage and Kezia Richards
« on: Sunday 02 December 18 10:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I've hit a bit of a dead-end with George and Kezia Armitage. Working backwards:



1861:

George   Armatage   Head         Married   Male      54   1807   Mason   Yorkshire, England
... [Kezia]  Armatage   Wife         Married   Female 54   1807   -   -
George   Armatage   Son         Unmarried   Male      22   1839   Moulder   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
Jemima   Armatage   Daughter Unmarried   Female 20   1841   -           Barnsley, Yorkshire,
Samuel   Armatage   Son          Unmarried   Male      18   1843   Mason   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
Benjamin   Armatage   Son          Unmarried   Male      16   1845   Moulder   Rotherham, Yorkshire

'Kezia' is clearly a tricky name to transcribe. It's also tricky (for me at least) to read where George and Kezia where born. I've attached an image of this section of document - maybe you can read it?!


1851:

George     Arimatige   Head          Married   Male           45   1806   Mason   Hall Green, Yorkshire
Kezia       Arimatige   Wife          Married   Female   44   1807   -   Nottingham
John          Arimatige   Son          Unmarried   Male           16   1835   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire
Ann          Arimatige   Daughter   -           Female   15   1836   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
William     Arimatige   Son   -                    Male   13   1838   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
George     Arimatige   Son   -                    Male   12   1839   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
Jemima    Arimatige   Daughter   -            Female   10   1841   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
Samuel     Arimatige   Son   -                    Male   8   1843   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire,
Benjamin   Arimatige   Son   -                    Male   5   1846   Scholar   Rotherham, Yorkshire
Arthur       Arimatige   Son   -                    Male   2   1849   -   Rotherham, Yorkshire



In 1841:

George Armitage   Male           30   1811   Yorkshire, England
Cassia  Armitage   Female   30   1811   -
John      Armitage   Male           6   1835   -
Ann      Armitage   Female   5   1836   Yorkshire, England
William Armitage   Male           4   1837   Yorkshire, England
George Armitage   Male           3   1838   Yorkshire, England
Jemima Armitage   Female   1   1840   Yorkshire, England



I have found a marriage record from Nottinghamshire in 1830:

First name(s)   George
Last name   Armitage
Name note   -
Marriage year   1830
Marriage date   26 Jul 1830
Marriage place   Radford
Spouse's first name(s)   Kezia
Spouse's last name   Richards
County   Nottinghamshire

Which is the only marriage I ca find between a George Armitage and a 'Kezia'. I've played around with other spellings of 'Kezia' but haven't found anything else.

I cannot find a plausible Kezia Richards in the parish records anywhere, and I am struggling to narrow down the number of George Armitage possibilities (understanding his birth place would help!).

Anything you can suggest would be much appreciated :)

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Staffordshire / Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« on: Thursday 29 November 18 20:21 GMT (UK)  »
And just after asking that question I notice that Mary Lomas in 1881 is down on the census as 'grand-daughter'.

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Staffordshire / Re: Who is Agnes Wilson?
« on: Thursday 29 November 18 20:10 GMT (UK)  »
Wow! That's fantastic - we've got the right Agnes Wilson/Lomax; I need to research Ellen Bembridge/Wilson to look into her siblings.

Is it ever the case that parents would put down on the census that an illegitimate child is a 'niece'? Wondered if Ellen was a possible candidate for being the mother...?

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Derbyshire / Re: Vanished Standish 1861
« on: Thursday 29 November 18 19:56 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for the support in hunting the Standishes down! It seems my greatest barrier was using a site that didn't have the relevant documents!


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Staffordshire / Who is Agnes Wilson?
« on: Monday 26 November 18 14:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I've hit an odd record and a bit of a brick wall. I've been following family lines back from a Jane Elizabeth Lomax (b. 9th May 1887, baptised 31st Jan 1888 in Mayfield, Derbyshire and then seemingly again on 26th June 1889 in Attercliffe, Yorkshire) Her parents are Edward Lomax and Agnes.

In 1891 I can find a family in Geasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, which consists of:

Edward   Lomax   Head          Married   Male           43   1848   -
Agnes   Lomax   Wife          Married   Female   43   1848   -   Duffield, Derbyshire,
Jane E   Lomax   Daughter   -           Female   3   1888   -   Staffordshire, England
Edward   Lomax   Son           -           Male   0           1891   -   Yorkshire, England

Which seems to match the birth record of Jane Elizabeth Lomax well


In 1901 I can find them again, this time in Attercliffe, Sheffield:

Edward Lomax   Head         Married Male   48   1853      Manchester, Lancashire
Agnes   Lomax   Wife         Married Female   44   1857      Duffield, Yorkshire
May       Lomax   Daughter Single     Female   16   1885      Mayfield, Derbyshire
Jane E   Lomax   Daughter Single     Female   13   1888      Mayfield, Derbyshire,
Edward  Lomax   Son         Single     Male   7   1894      Masbrough, Yorkshire
Ellen       Lomax   Daughter Single     Female   6   1895      Sheffield, Yorkshire

Weirdly, Edward and Agnes don't appeared to have aged much. I know people's ages can be a bit flexible, but Agnes is only recorded as a year older. Despite this, I think they're the same people.

There are very few marriage records between Edward Lomaxes and Agneses, and only one that makes sense:

Edward Lomax & Agnes Wilson, 25th December 1873, Mayfield, Staffordshire

Edward's father: James Lomax
Agnes' father: Joseph Rogers (??)

When I look at the image itself, Joseph Rogers has a line drawn through it. Is this a mistake or mistranscription? Was Agnes actually illegitimate, and the father they wrote in was a mistake?

I have searched for 'Agnes Wilson' and 'Agnes Rogers' pre 1873, but can't find anything that makes sense. Can anyone help?

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Derbyshire / Re: Vanished Standish 1861
« on: Monday 26 November 18 11:37 GMT (UK)  »
Wow! Thanks everyone.

I'm still having a weird problem where I can't find the 1861 or 1871 records that Millipede found on FindMyPast - can anyone else see them on there? I'm assuming, Millipede, that you used a different website?

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Derbyshire / Vanished Standish 1861
« on: Sunday 25 November 18 11:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I am struggling a bit with my ancestors, the Standishes.

Sarah Standish was married to George Armitage on the 21st Feb 1886 in Sheffield, and her father is recorded as John Standish, a smith.

In subsequent censuses as Sarah Armitage she puts her birth place as Dronfield, Derbyshire, in circa 1851.

I've searched for Sarah Standish on the census and the only likely record I can find is a Sarah Standish in 1851. Her birthplace is Dronfield, and her father is a blacksmith called John Standish, so this feels pretty likely.

The problem I face is that the whole family seems to disappear after 1851.

In 1851 the family is:

John   Standish       Head   Married   Male           29   1822   Blacksmith   Norton, Derbyshire
Anne   Standish       Wife   Married   Female   29   1822     -               Eckington, Derbyshire
Hemely Standish    Daughter   -   Female   9   1842     -                Dronfield, Derbyshire
Susannah Standish Daughter   -   Female   7   1844     Scholar        Dronfield, Derbyshire
Harriet Standish        Daughter   -   Female   5   1846     Scholar        Dronfield, Derbyshire
Robin Standish        Son           -   Male           2   1849   -                Dronfield, Derbyshire
Sarah Standish        Daughter   -   Female   0   1851     -                Dronfield, Derbyshire


However, I can't find any of them on the census after 1851. From searching baptism records, it appears they had four further children:

Henry Standish           Bap: 1853 (And I think died in 1853)
John Arthur Standish   Bap: 1859
Martha Standish          Bap: 1859
Samuel Standish         Bap: 1859  (And I think died in 1859)
 
But I can't find Martha or John Arthur  in 1861 or subsequently. Can anyone help me find John, Anne and their daughter Sarah in 1861, 1871 or 1881?

Also, can anyone interpret the name 'Hemely'?

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Untangling Andersons
« on: Wednesday 07 November 18 18:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Heywood,


The witnesses to the marriage were John Bishop and Thomas Hankinson. Place of residence for Jane was 4 James’ Place, Scarborough. Matthew’s was Goodmanham.

Apologies for brief reply - doing this one my phone on a train!

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Untangling Andersons
« on: Monday 05 November 18 11:22 GMT (UK)  »
In my family tree there is a Matthew Blythe (1837 - 1874; Sancton, East Yorkshire).

He can be found in the 1871 census in Newbald, married to a Sarah Jane (birth circa. 1836 in Hutton Cranswick). I am trying to get my head around who Sarah Jane is.

In 1881 Matthew has died, but Sarah Jane Blythe can still be found in Newbald along with three of her children, still reporting her birthplace as Hutton Cranswick.

In 1891 Sarah Jane Blythe cannot be found... but a widowed Jane Blythe can be found in Newbald; birthplace Hutton Cranswick.

1901 is similar - a widowed Jane Blythe in Newbald, born in Hutton Cranswick.


I think Sarah Jane and Jane are likely to be the same person - my evidence for this is as follows:

In 1881 Sarah Jane Blythe has a daughter called 'Jemima Blythe'. The birth record for Jemima in 1874 states the mother's maiden name is 'Anderson'.

I searched marriage records for a Matthew Blythe to an Anderson anywhere in England during the 1800s and found one result - Matthew Blythe marrying a Jane Anderson in 1861 in Scarborough.

My working theory is that Jane sometimes went by the name Sarah Jane, and then she reverted to Jane after her husband died.


I have a copy of the certificate of the 1861 marriage, which states that Jane's father was a George Anderson, agricultural labourer. I have hit a bit of a brick wall in tracking down which George and Jane Anderson are 'mine' on the 1841 - 1861 censuses, with the added complexity that she could possibly be called 'Sarah' or 'Sarah Jane' - can anyone help cut through the tangled mess of Andersons?

Thanks!

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