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The Common Room / Re: 1921 Scottish Census - numbers in the Marriage-Orphanhood column
« on: Thursday 21 September 23 13:49 BST (UK)  »
I've managed to find the reason myself.

ScotlandsPeople explained it as:

"The numbers in the column appear to refer to each code. So, for example, 0 is 'single', 1 is recorded alongside 'married.' 2 related to a 'widow/widower' and so forth.

This would have been done to aid the enumerators in their task, as it is easier to add up the number of people in each category rather than have to count the initials allotted to each person. The census was then, as now, primarily carried out for statistical reasons and so if you see any pencilled in numbers or ink in a different colour, this would have been down to the enumerators collecting their figures from the details."

There ya go! 😊

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The Common Room / 1921 Scottish Census - numbers in the Marriage-Orphanhood column
« on: Sunday 17 September 23 08:58 BST (UK)  »
Can any kind soul please tell me what the numbers in the Marriage-Orphanhood column in the 1921 Scottish Census might mean?
They appear to have been added later in violet ink.
Thank you.

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Just to help identify the right person  The father of her child was supposedly Hugh FORD but I do not know what is on the birth certificate, perhaps jwynne can tell us.  They do not appear to have married.

FORD, -     
Mother's maiden surname: RIVERS     
GRO Reference: 1873  M Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 585

In 1861 Ellen RIVERS is a barmaid in Egham, Surrey aged 26.  In 1871 she is Helen RIVERS, a housekeeper in Kingston, Surrey aged 30.  In 1881 she is Ellen FORD, a housekeeper in Brighton, Sussex aged 45.  Her birthplace is consistantly Newport, Isle of Wight.

I cannot see a baptism and there doesn't seem to be anyone with that surname living on the Isle of Wight in 1841.

Debra  :)
That's what I have.
She may not have been married, but she said she was Ellen RIVERS from Newport in 2 censuses when she was single,
The fact that Hugh Rivers FORD's marriage certificate said his father's name was also Hugh Rivesr FORD (including middle name) is clearly very unlikely, but people put what they know (or what they're told) or what they want on marriage certificates. It doesn't mean it's correct.

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So are John Saunders Ford with wife Ellen (born Godshill Isle of Wight) and son Alfred Saunders Ford the wrong family?

If Ellen's maiden name was KINGSWELL, I'm afraid so.

FORD, ALFRED  SAUNDERS;
Mother's maiden name: KINGSWELL 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in STRAND  Volume 01B  Page 547

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Why Rivers?

Because that was her maiden name, as shown on the 1861 and 1871 censuses, and the maiden name on her son's 1872 birth registration.

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   RIVERS, ELLEN    mmn   TOE 
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in HENLEY  Volume 16  Page 68

Colin

Thanks, but that's the Wolverton family, and I have ruled them out.
She married a Robert Joseph TOE (same as her mother's maiden name) in 1860, and was still married to him in 1902 when Robert Joseph TOE died in Wokingham.

The one I'm interested in married a FORD and had a son, Hugh Rivers FORD (mmn RIVERS) in 1872.

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1841 – Wolverton, Hampshire, only last child born in County.

George Rivers      - servant   40
Rebecca Rivers   30
Emma Rivers   10
Mary Rivers   9
Margaret Rivers   7
George Rivers   5
Ellen Rivers   4
Rachael Rivers   1

In 1851 Rebecca, still noted as married but no George, is with most of the children, Ellen12 & Rachael 10 are in the previous household. They are all at 28 & 29 Pier St. Isle of Wight. 

No birth registration.


Colin


It's not the Wolverton family. Thanks

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Could some kind soul please do a look-up for the baptism of an Ellen (possibly "Helen") RIVERS sometime between 1833 and 1840?
The 1861 and 1871 censuses show her as Ellen and Helen RIVERS, born Newport, Isle of Wight.
In the 1881 and 1891 censuses, under her married name of FORD, she stated that she was born in Newport, Isle of Wight.
Thank you.
Regards,
John

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London and Middlesex / Re: Hanwell Cemetery
« on: Friday 15 July 22 16:56 BST (UK)  »
Does anybody have a contact email address for Hanwell Cemetery? The cemetery under control of City of Westminster, not Kensington.

Thanks,

John

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