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Hello,

I was wondering if anyone can help me to find out more about the MOTT faily who lived in London.

John MOTT was born in Sussex in 1790 and by 1841 he had moved to London (working for the Marquess of Salisbury at his London residence at Arlington Street, parish of St George, Westminster. His son was born in the same parish in 1829, yet I can't find either the son's birth (his name was also John and his mother was called Eliza) or the marriage of John and Eliza, which must have taken place in the 1820s.

After he was sacked from his position he remained in Westminster and in 1851 is living in James' Street in the parish of St Margaret. In 1871 his wife is described as a widow, living in Berwick Street, St George Hanover Square. I feel sure that his marriage, death and entry on the 1861 census (if he's still alive then) must all be in London- can anyone help me locate these details?

Thanks,

Vicki

Hello,

I am researching Emma Shotter, who lived in Little Dalby, Leicestershire in 1851, working as a servant to Joseph Wild. Emma was born near Chichester, Sussex and before ending up in Leicestershire worked at West Dean House in Sussex and Hatfield House in Hertfordshire.

I haven't been able to trace what happened to her after 1851 and was wondering if anyone had come across her in their own research? I am also interested in Joseph Wild and who he was, as he appeared to have had a large retinue of servants, yet I can't find out anything about him, other than that he was a farmer.

Vicki

Yes I think you're right, sometimes we see what we want to see  I got confused with my 1851 fellow Ambly who was also a plasterer (and not who I was looking for either!)

The reference for him in the 1841 census is HO 107/734/3 p14. Several of them are transcribed incorrectly, although I'm not surprised as the writing's terrible!

I think I may have also found him in 1851 (but still a bit of checking to do). There is a John Mott living in James Street, Westminster with a wife and son. He is described as a 'servant out of place', which is interesting as he wrote to the 2nd Marquess over a period of several months after he lost his job as he couldn't find a new one without a reference. If this is the correct one then he must have really struggled to find something new. 

The reference for 1851 is HO 107/1840 p[512 I think]. This one was born in Mitford, Sussex, so it's something to go on anyway.

Many of the servants 'lived in' in the 1840s, but not all.  Those that didn't lived nearby and it was usually the upper servants (eg the chef) who didn't. Although as he had a family he may have had his own lodgings as well.

Vicki

I discounted the 'Nutt' family from the 1851 census. They are living in Prince Street, St Leonard Shoreditch.

Sorry to be confusing- just to clarify- I have them in 1841 (when I know that he was working for Lord Salisbury in London), but not in 1851. I thought that there was a possiblility for them in 1851, but discounted them (the Nutt family).

Vicki

No they don't, so that's why they're a bit questionable, as the '41 census doesn't give relationships, but unfortunately I don't have anything else to go on! But they're listed with him in '41 and I know that he had a wife and son.