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Yes Coombs that is right.

Just because a Certificate list the parents it does not necessarily mean that that they are.

Probably they are correct, but there for me will always be a but, in that I have to have DNA matches linking via the person names on the certificate.

BTW

I am seeing Ancestry DNA tests listed on our account at £59 + postage.

£59, that is quite a bargain.



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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA to solve brickwalls?
« on: Tuesday 16 April 24 14:38 BST (UK)  »
Further to what I said earlier, and what Coombs has just said, DNA testing has shown that two of my 16 great great grandparents had illicit children. I don't think that's untypical.

Zaph

Yes, human behaviour has always been rollercoaster.

I know some stuff about DNA testing but I get confused with all this centimorgan data, and also know that it may not answer all your prayers as it is not as cut and dried as seems. I have been doing my family tree for almost 30 years but with DNA testing I am a novice, and have not even tested yet.

Coombs

There are plenty here to help, if and when you are ready to take a DNA test, pm me and I can send some files that I sent to help my Cousins understand what I have been doing.

Yes there can be pitfalls, but there are benefits, I am in contact with DNA Cousins (2C’s) who I never knew existed and they in turn have supplied plenty of family information.

The book by Blaine Bettinger is a good place to start.  He is the guy behind the DNA Painter website that you will have seen commented on and suggested here many times.

Thanks I will take you up on the offer. I take it you have to pay to submit your DNA to Ancestry? Such as pay for a DNA testing kit?

Yes, but if and when you want to buy do keep a look out for lower cost offers i.e. £60 ish.

No need for having traits things like that can be added retrospectively for a smallish fee.

Ancestry is the one to take as you can download the DNA Data and upload it to My Heritage, ftDNA, Gedmatch etc and hence maximise the hunt for DNA matches.  A My Heritage DNA test is cheaper BUT, the database of testees is substantially less than Ancestry and you cannot upload to Ancestry which makes Ancestry far better vfm.

You do have limited information available to view without an Ancestry subscription but a subscription is really necessary, at least for a short time, to maximise making use of the probable 20,000+ DNA matches that one is likely to be presented with.

As an example my Nephew took a DNA test and I have his log in details, such that I could only see his Ethnicity results.  I had to transfer Management of his DNA kit to myself to be able to log in under my user info and I could then view his results so now I have access to all the DNA matches he has of which those via his Mum, my Sister-in-Law is the research area of interest in expanding this side of our family tree.

Thanks. As we all know DNA can rubber stamp paper trails but also can disprove them. We can get strong circumstantial evidence of a father of an illegitimate child through poor law records or he says he was the father on the baptism or birth cert but only DNA testing will prove or disprove it.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA to solve brickwalls?
« on: Monday 15 April 24 14:05 BST (UK)  »
Further to what I said earlier, and what Coombs has just said, DNA testing has shown that two of my 16 great great grandparents had illicit children. I don't think that's untypical.

Zaph

Yes, human behaviour has always been rollercoaster.

I know some stuff about DNA testing but I get confused with all this centimorgan data, and also know that it may not answer all your prayers as it is not as cut and dried as seems. I have been doing my family tree for almost 30 years but with DNA testing I am a novice, and have not even tested yet.

Coombs

There are plenty here to help, if and when you are ready to take a DNA test, pm me and I can send some files that I sent to help my Cousins understand what I have been doing.

Yes there can be pitfalls, but there are benefits, I am in contact with DNA Cousins (2C’s) who I never knew existed and they in turn have supplied plenty of family information.

The book by Blaine Bettinger is a good place to start.  He is the guy behind the DNA Painter website that you will have seen commented on and suggested here many times.

Thanks I will take you up on the offer. I take it you have to pay to submit your DNA to Ancestry? Such as pay for a DNA testing kit?


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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA to solve brickwalls?
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 18:19 BST (UK)  »
Further to what I said earlier, and what Coombs has just said, DNA testing has shown that two of my 16 great great grandparents had illicit children. I don't think that's untypical.

Zaph

Yes, human behaviour has always been rollercoaster.

I know some stuff about DNA testing but I get confused with all this centimorgan data, and also know that it may not answer all your prayers as it is not as cut and dried as seems. I have been doing my family tree for almost 30 years but with DNA testing I am a novice, and have not even tested yet.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA to solve brickwalls?
« on: Saturday 13 April 24 14:13 BST (UK)  »
Like if you find an illegitimate ancestor, and found a suspected father, the only way to be 99.999% sure is to take a DNA test.

I have a 2xgreat grandmother born Dec 1863 whose parents wed in mid 1864 when she was a baby and the baby was then baptised as the daughter of the new husband. Turned out he was still married when his future 2nd wife was pregnant, and his first wife died in November 1863 of a long illness just weeks before the 2nd wife gave birth. Autosomal DNA testing would be definitive, it is the father of my maternal line 2xgreat grandmother.

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Yes, DNA is the best solution to try and identify the biological father. Or you could try any poor law records for 1865/1866 for any bastardy/maintenance orders etc.

Have you obtained Joseph's birth certificate?

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The Common Room / Re: Signature Comparison
« on: Friday 12 April 24 15:49 BST (UK)  »
Today we have hundred of print format styles to choose from.

Certainly in the time that we learned “joined up writing” as a youngster the Teach at that time told us of the Writing Style that it was called.  There was not one Style being taught in Schools but many different ones that were in use by the Education Authorities at that time.

My Father’s writing Style was taught in a Lancastrian school, my Maternal Grandparents were from Yorkshire and Cheshire and all three were very different.

What I am leading up to is that the Style of your signatures are all very scimitar and to me would indicate that the hands that created the signatures were taught their writing style within a geographical region.

BIB, that does sound interesting, and may be handy for those researching elusive ancestors who we knew could write as we have the signing marriage certs or witnessing them etc.

As for Rebecca Claire's Wm Wyatt, I would probably keep in mind that the signatures you posted may be from different people, especially as Wyatt is a common name. There are similarities but some subtle differences.

If you could give dates and locations of the Wm Wyatt's we may be able to help further.

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One day autosomal DNA testing may advance even more and you could perhaps get links to someone with a common ancestor back in the 1500s. But there may soon be a limit to genetic genealogy testing.

For example my ancestor Dennis Helsdon born 1756 in Norfolk. I know who his grandparents were (Henry Helsdon, Susan Riches, Benjamin Harbord and Mary Buddery) and 4 of his great grandparents, (the parents of Henry Helsdon and Ben Harbord) but not the 2 known great grandmother's maiden names. One day DNA advances may give the answer if any of their descendants test. But as for the documents/paper trail, I think I myself have gone back as far as I can go unless we one day get a Norfolk Wills beneficiaries index which may mention them.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Could the Golden Age of DNA Testing Be Over?
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 20:26 BST (UK)  »
A couple of times I have seen someone else's trees on Ancestry and they have some of my ancestors on their trees with "DNA match" to my ancestors and often I send them a message hoping to make contact and get no reply yet it says they "Read" the message. Their loss. Lets hope there is an NPE on their line of descent to the said ancestor so we are not related after all.  ;)

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