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The Common Room / Re: The Plymouth Brethren
« on: Thursday 08 June 23 20:48 BST (UK)  »
I have no idea where the whole thing started, I'd never even heard of the Plymouth Brethren before this. It sounds like a word of mouth thing, although how many mouths it has gone through and exactly whose... Our family has pulled a few strange ones out of the woodwork here and there, many of which have been adamantly disputed by other family members. What's the collective noun for a group of family historians? Tempted to say a "research" if unrelated... if the same family possibly an "argument"  ;D

The Common Room / Re: The Plymouth Brethren
« on: Wednesday 07 June 23 21:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again all :)

The Common Room / Re: The Plymouth Brethren
« on: Tuesday 06 June 23 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again all.

I had a look at the Wiki before but the overall history didn't help in specific terms. The Open being close to Methodist is an interesting tidbit though.

Unfortunately my mother was the one who took that phonecall KGarrad, and reassured her cousin that I was the person for the job lol

It does occur to me that I've heard of my grandfather and one or two of his brothers described as non-smokers and keen sportsmen in their youth. Sending the kids to some kind of Brethren Sunday school or youth club sounds more plausible.

The Common Room / Re: The Plymouth Brethren
« on: Monday 05 June 23 23:52 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. I know when they died and where my grandfather was buried but I haven't seen any actual burial records. I have a note that apparently my great grandmother had her ashes scattered. I feel like if someone in living memory was buried with a Brethren service someone would surely remember. My great grandfather died in the 1950s (and my great grandmother in the 1970s, when my mother was an adult) so his might be the only one that could in theory without someone recalling.

As a thought, I might be looking a little bit in the wrong direction. My great grandmother was born in Plymouth as was her father, although he also married Wesleyan Methodist. A cousin of my mother's recalled his death to me years ago, but also didn't mention anything like this about his funeral. He also divorced his second wife- not sure how that would have gone down with the family orientated Brethren?

Who knows, maybe there was a short-lived conversion sometime in the 1920s  :-\ If only the 1921 and 1939 included religion...

The Common Room / The Plymouth Brethren
« on: Monday 05 June 23 22:20 BST (UK)  »
Hello all.

A new rumour has suddenly started in my family and none of us have heard of it before. Unfortunately my mother told everyone I could solve it!

An extended relative has alleged that my grandfather and his brothers were "brought up by the Plymouth Brethren". This isn't something I've heard of before and my grandfather's youngest brother has made some statements about family members for historical purposes that haven't mentioned it either.

My great grandfather and his wife married in 1917 in Plymouth, in a Wesleyan Methodist church. His own christening (and that of his siblings) took place in an Anglican church. His parents also married in a Methodist church (of unspecified subset).

I haven't found any christenings for their children, but it may fall under "too recent". They were almost certainly christened in some capacity. The family remained in the Plymouth area until somewhere between 1923 and 1928, when they moved to London. Both parents were alive and present throughout the childhoods of their sons.

My grandfather's army records from 1933 claim him as Church of England (although they also got details like his eye colour wrong so some army details can be taken with a pinch of salt).

With the first child being born in 1919 and the family moving within ten years, if they were brought up by the Brethren they perhaps weren't brought up very far! Unless there was a branch in London instead. From what I've read of their reputation, at least in modern times, they sound like a difficult religious sect to extract oneself from once involved.

I'm not sure what I can do in this case other than to try to prove they stayed consistently Methodist, although I think my grandfather did end up in a C of E church? He died before I was born so I'm fairly clueless there. His brothers also signed up for duty but I don't have their records (too recent again, I had to get my aunt to authorise me obtaining my grandfather's).

Anyone got any thoughts?


Family History Beginners Board / Re: Mother's Maiden Name Issue
« on: Tuesday 07 June 22 00:27 BST (UK)  »
I would be surprised if the 13 year old mother registered the birth (but who knows, maybe?) Mistakes do happen- my great great grandfather, when registering his only son, got his wife's maiden name wrong (one of her middle names was recorded as her maiden). Perhaps the informant was asked about the father at some point and the names got muddled on the record.

Things like that happen, although you don't mention how recent this was. I'm sure in a few cases a while back the person themselves might not have been sure, much less whoever the informant was. Even more so if the informant wasn't a family member.

I was reading pages of inquests once and it was terrible how many people took their own lives. Of all the multitudes, only rarely did they record a verdict of suicide. It was amazing how many different and extremely deliberate methods were employed while of an unsound mind.

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Son of Thomas & Mary Ward
« on: Thursday 12 May 22 01:47 BST (UK)  »
I can see the spouseless marriage entry on FindMyPast and FamilySearch, transcript only.

Still possible the original page was damaged or faded... or potentially whoever was writing it forgot to add her name in!

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