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London and Middlesex / Re: Hannah Asfer bp 1784 (ish)
« on: Monday 29 June 20 11:57 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone

Taking your hints into consideration (nothing like a hive mind for a fresh perspective) and having another trawl and look, I think it's possible that her surname could also be Ashton (it could sound as little like Asfer in an accent)- there's a Hannah Maria baptised in 1786 in Horsleydown that I'm investigating now who could be a fit- I'll also keep Affenden in mind too- any lead is always helpful.

Barbara

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London and Middlesex / Hannah Asfer bp 1784 (ish)
« on: Sunday 28 June 20 17:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi there

I have a bit of a puzzle (or brick wall) that I'm wondering if anyone else has come across (or similar).
I have a Hannah Asfer marrying George Hall in Horsleydown in 1802. in the 1851 and 1861 censuses Hannah has her birthplace as Christchurch Surrey (which is Southwark).
I am finding difficulty in tracing a baptism for her (or anyone else with surname Asfer for that matter). I've tried different permutations, soundex, * to replace letters, any Hannahs born in that time period (& beyond) and area (& beyond), different genealogy sites (Ancestry, FindMyPast, the Genealogist and familysearch)- zilch. There's Ashfer in Cambridge area earlier than that but no Hannahs/Annas for the relevant period.
Has anyone else been trying to trace her or any of her possible Ancestral family at all? Or even come across the surname (or variants) in their own investigations? I'm just plain old stuck!

Many thanks in advance

Barbara

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Monday 30 October 17 14:19 GMT (UK)  »
Well Elizabeth Hopkins nee Roberts is also delightfully economic with her birthplace too!
She's born in Worcester on 2 censuses (1851 & 1871) and in Bradley Warwick in 1 (1861)

She could be one of many people at the moment..........

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Monday 30 October 17 13:32 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Monday 30 October 17 09:52 GMT (UK)
Is there a link here between the "wives" families Moreton and Roberts

In 1851 Winslow Moreton is with a Hopkins family.  The wife Elizabeth Hopkins I think was Elizabeth Roberts and wasn't Letitia called Roberts?

Elizabeth marriage 1828 to Benjamin.  Elizabeth born 1802 High Wycombe.

That links both families to the name Winslow but needs more investigation for sure.

I hadn't seen that.....................Think I'll investigate

Thanks Millepede

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Monday 30 October 17 13:31 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ShaunJ on Monday 30 October 17 07:53 GMT (UK)
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Joseph (a tanner) in 1851 is at the home of his 'wife' Rhoda's sibling

... and did you notice a Winslow Moreton (aged 70) on the previous page - possibly one of Rhoda's relatives?  (EDIT - I think that is Rhoda's father?)

Hi Shaun J

Yes that is Rhodas father 2 doors down. Mary Austin (in the household Rhoda Joseph etc are staying at) is her eldest sister.

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Monday 30 October 17 13:29 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Jomot on Monday 30 October 17 01:31 GMT (UK)
Just to throw some more confusion at it, did you notice that the 1841 says that 'Lella' was born in India?

Hi Jomot

Yes I had but not convinced...................

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Sunday 29 October 17 22:55 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Rosinish on Sunday 29 October 17 22:42 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Barbaricbarb on Sunday 29 October 17 19:11 GMT (UK)
Haven't found any plausible 'official' reason for Winslows name switch from Anthony to Hancock either- unless they really did not want to be associated with the name..........wonder how easy it was to get away with it back then?

It's not illegal to change your name & be known by any name you choose but with all the stigma with identity theft etc. I suppose it wouldn't be as easy as it was 20 yrs ago?

Annie

Maybe not. It would have been easier to change and surrounding people get used to it when moving to a new town but he remains in the same one where he would have been known for 10 years as Winslow Anthony and then to change to Joseph Winslow Hancock..............

I've been trawling that localities burial records to check to see if he and his mother had died and buried there 1851-1861 but it doesn't appear so (just to double check)

I guess I may just add Winslow to the main tree with his descendants and see if any DNA matched crop up (that is assuming that Joseph was his dad anyway as that would be the only link)....
People lead such complicated lives- it never changes!

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Sunday 29 October 17 22:36 GMT (UK)  »
I had seen that but it puts her 16 years younger (birth 1802)

There is a Leticia Anthony born 1818 in Chenies and a Leticia Floyd married a William Anthony in 1838 in Amersham so I think that the death belongs to this Leticia and not Josephs one. I think Williams Letitia is also the one listed in Kelly's directory/ post office Directory in Chenies as a straw bonnet maker in 1854 & 1877- is not on the 1883 or later ones
so
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: A double life in Beverley for 10 years?
« on: Sunday 29 October 17 19:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Milliepede on Sunday 29 October 17 11:05 GMT (UK)
I was thinking if Joseph and Letitia did marry in 1822 and Winslow wasn't born until 1833 it would be likely they had more children together.

I've not found any of them so far............
Joseph was in the military from 1826 to 1830 so there could have been a gap over that period - they are proving to be quite a challenge.
Still haven't found Letitia/Lella after 1851- was trying all sorts of permutations and omissions to help the search last night................... Unless she had a complete name change............

Haven't found any plausible 'official' reason for Winslows name switch from Anthony to Hancock either- unless they really did not want to be associated with the name..........wonder how easy it was to get away with it back then?

Barbara

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