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Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Monday 17 January 11 14:53 GMT (UK)  »
Many many thanks Celtic Library this looks like really intriguing information. The Henry you mention sounds a very promising link. If they are a 'well documented' family there is hope that I might find them!

Am going to have a sift through everything I've got so far and try and match some of the new info in.

Wish me luck!!  ;)

Hertfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: St.Stephens, St.Albans, Herts-LAWRENCE
« on: Tuesday 14 September 10 20:34 BST (UK)  »
Should be able to look this up for you Nan but it may be a couple of weeks as life v busy! Will let you know if I find anything  :)

Hertfordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Kellys Directory 1950 St Albans
« on: Tuesday 14 September 10 20:30 BST (UK)  »
Should be able to help but it may be a couple of weeks until I get to the library. If noone else has managed to find it, I'll do it then!  :)

Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Sunday 12 September 10 21:42 BST (UK)  »
How exciting - someone with the same brick wall to chip away at as me!!!

We had exactly the same family story about the Harbourmaster so I'm guessing that it came from higher up the tree than I thought! My mother-in-law is the granddaughter of Elizabeth Winifred Ryall (Henrietta's sister) I have a few articles relating to the Harbourmaster if you would like copies.

A very interesting 'clue' about the young Henry that you found - very curious that he should use that name, I wonder why...the mystery deepens! Definitely a link and the first one that mentions Raynes and Ryall together. A good step forward I think - well done!


Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Friday 10 September 10 19:14 BST (UK)  »
Wow that certainly looks very promising. That's brilliant - thanks  ;D

Now I've got to find some proof that this John Raynes and my John George Ryall are one and the same person...If they are then John Raynes is my husbands grt grt grandfather which would make the two of you 4th cousins I think!
Do you have access to the marriages of any of the children? I was wondering if John's first marriage might give me a clue.

I have reference to Elizabeth in a passage from a book I was sent "The Endless Adventure" which is about Cork Harbour and has a very small part about Henry in it. If you want a copy of it let me know.

Thanks again

Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Thursday 09 September 10 13:10 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Shane

I'd had a look at that directory yesterday but hadn't spotted the search box! At least my assumption that it was Cork city was right.


Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Wednesday 08 September 10 14:35 BST (UK)  »
Had a look at the link Shane and have now added to my collection of Raynes, although still not quite sure how/if they are connected! Very interesting site  :)

My guess (and it is a complete guess) is that John Raynes married Teresa Sullivan, they had at least 3 children - John George, Henry Christopher and Elizabeth....just got to prove/disprove it!

Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Wednesday 08 September 10 14:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shane

The simple answer to the religion question is I'm not sure! I think the family story is that the Raynes were RC and John George became CofI, but it might have been the other way round!! It is one of those 'handed down' stories that has lost a lot of detail/accuracy over the years!

Henry Christopher was 'Harbourmaster for the port and harbour of Cork' which I'm assuming means Cork City.

Thanks for the link, I shall go and have a look..


Cork / Re: Raynes of Cork
« on: Wednesday 08 September 10 13:48 BST (UK)  »
Gosh it's been busy on here today!

I have to admit that I haven't looked at my Raynes/Ryall family for a while as I came to a bit of a brick wall so I'm feeling a bit confused/vague reading all this today!
JNBY - I don't know if we're related but it would be great if we were as you may be able to help sort it all out!

I know we are related to (although I'm not 100% sure how!) Henry Christopher Raynes - he was the captain of the steamship Upupa (Cork Steam-packet Company) before becoming Harbourmaster in May 1873. He died in Cork in 1877. He definitely had a sister named Elizabeth Raynes who was unmarried in 1877. I don't know when he was born, only that he had worked for the Cork steam-packet company since about 1855.

Our direct ancestor is John George who was born in Cork in 1822. Family stories say that he was born John George Raynes, but after a family dispute (to do with religion) he was disowned and changed his name to Ryall.
The first evidence I have of him is his marriage certificate in England in 1866 which states he is a widower. I also have him on the English census in 1871,1881,1891 & 1901 where he is listed as being born in Cork.

I also have (passed to me from older members of the family) a copy of a will dated 1812 written by Elizabeth Sullivan (widow of Francis Sullivan) who lived in Cork City. This has a witness statement on the end written by Teresa Raynes in 1826, wife of John Raynes, who lived at Lower Glanmire Road.

I'm not at all sure how any of these fit together and whether any of them fit with either Eliza or James!

Think I need to revisit all this, I'm feeling more muddled than ever!
Julie x

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