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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 13 February 17 23:39 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Monday 08 September 14 19:32 BST (UK)
Quote from: Pennines on Monday 08 September 14 19:21 BST (UK)
As a matter of interest, my Gt Grandfather died in an asylum - due to 'general paralysis'-- I have never been sure whether that meant he was paralysed or not.

General Paralysis could be General Paralysis of the Insane, caused by Syphilis.

Stan
Hello Stan, we now have his patients notes from Winterton and it seems you were spot on about the cause of his general paralysis. While the notes don't specifically mention syphilis, in the notes James does acknowledge he had ''the bad disorder'' some seven years before his admission and the notes record the classic symptoms of the progress of syphilis related 'general paralysis' from his admission in April 1907 right up until his death in January 1908 by which time he was completely bed ridden, emaciated and feeble. He was also mentally 'exalted'.
When he was first admitted his notes said the cause/predisposition was an injury to the spine but the ''bad disorder'' he later acknowledges seems the likely cause.
We got the records from Durham Record Office which i have to say is a fantastic service for anyone who may need to use them.

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Durham / Re: Hartlepool mystery.
« on: Monday 13 February 17 21:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Vickie,
I'm afraid i never got any further in finding out what happened to John and Anne and haven't looked at them for a while so i have no further info to share on them.
My connection with the Graydon's is my great grandmother who was Anne Graydon born 1866 at Perkinsville, County Durham. It seems to be a fairly strong connection as one of my brothers had Graydon as his middle name as did one of my aunty's.

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 20:23 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jomot on Monday 08 September 14 20:04 BST (UK)
There is some information within the Hidden Depths collection at Durham County Records office.  I ordered something recently and it was very quick & easy.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/019ym/
Hello Jomot, thanks for the reply and the link. Forgive the ignorance but i don't know what the Hidden Depths collection is, i've not even heard of it before. I see your link is for James Barnen and his death in 1908. Is the link related to his union membership ? What, if any other info would i be able to get from the Hidden Depths collection about James ?

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 20:13 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Pennines on Monday 08 September 14 19:59 BST (UK)
I think in your case Kabeja -- it could well be paralysis caused by the accident. He could have broken his neck or his back.

I confused things by mentioning my Gt Grandfather's 'general paralysis' --- sorry about that.

Maybe there is something in the on-line newspapers now that we have his name. I can't look now -- but will check tomorrow, (unless someone beats me to it.)
No apologies needed Pennines, i think you may have given some relevant info about the term general paralysis in relation to terms used in the Asylums. I had assumed it was a referral to a physical condition and that is what i couldn't understand. With your info about your Great Granddad and his general paralysis being a term used in asylums and Mabels theory about the accident affecting his behaviour i think we may be on the right track.
If you are able to find time to look at newspapers and find anymore it would be appreciated. Thank you. He died 25th January 1908 and there was an inquest on the 28th January 1908. The Coroner was for the Stockton Ward.

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 20:02 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: barryd on Monday 08 September 14 19:54 BST (UK)
I saw no "General" Hospital in Sedgefield until 1939.
Cheers barryd. It would appear then that he was there for a mental related condition after his accident.
I think the inquest papers are going to be necessary to try to understand what was going on.

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 19:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Mabel Bagshawe on Monday 08 September 14 19:46 BST (UK)
it could be related that brain damage suffered in the accident led to unusual behaviours (hence the asylum) or other physical problems such as catatonic episodes or epilepsy which might be dealt with in an asylum in those days

Given the specific reference to the accident on the death cert, i think syphilis less likely.
Hello Mabel, thanks for the reply.
I think you may be on the right lines with your reply. It would certainly make more sense than him being there for a physical general paralysis condition.
Any idea why the place of death was the asylum mortuary ?

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: stanmapstone on Monday 08 September 14 19:32 BST (UK)


General Paralysis could be General Paralysis of the Insane, caused by Syphilis.

Stan
Well that would certainly put another angle on it Stan.   :)

In James' case it definitely says "general paralysis caused by an accident whilst following his employment". Why was he in the County hospital though ? Do you know if there was a medical section  to the hospital or was it solely for mental conditions ? 

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 19:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Pennines on Monday 08 September 14 19:21 BST (UK)
There is a website detailing coal mining accidents and deaths, but whether your ancestor will be included in the circumstances -- I'm not sure -- worth a look though.

http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/disasters/

I cannot imagine anyone being taken to a mortuary to die -- seems odd. As a matter of interest, my Gt Grandfather died in an asylum - due to 'general paralysis'-- I have never been sure whether that meant he was paralysed or not. His admission papers don't say that he was. However I can see that your ancestor could have been paralysed due to the accident.

We may be able to find a newspaper report if we have his name.
Hello Pennines,
Thanks for the reply and the link, i'll have a look at the site to see if there is any information about James on there.
It is interesting that your Great Grandfather died in an asylum due to "general paralysis". I have assumed up until now that it meant a physical paralysis, maybe it is a term used to describe a mental affliction ? I cannot understand why he would be taken from Quebec to the County Asylum in Sedgefield for a physical condition after an accident at work. I'll try having a look for the term "general paralysis" in relation to a  mental condition

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Durham / Re: Death at Durham County Asylum
« on: Monday 08 September 14 19:28 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: durhamgirl73 on Monday 08 September 14 19:10 BST (UK)
Hi can you give us your relatives name, date of birth and place of birth to be getting on with thankyou
Hello Durhamgirl,
His name was James Barnen, he was born in Queens County, Ireland in 1867.
We pretty much have all his details worked out through the English censuses and marriage. His surname does have variations but we have managed to locate him in all the census from 1871 until 1901 as well as his marriage to Mary Ann Leary in 1900 at Esh Laude.
My query is to why would he have ended up in the County Asylum for what appears to be a medical condition. Also, why would his place of death be given as the mortuary ? I would have expected him to be taken there after death.

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