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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Death Cert. 1896
« on: Monday 25 March 24 11:18 GMT (UK)  »
Syncope does indeed, nowadays, mean a faint. But I think that in the past it was used more to cover any loss of consciousness but especially due to shock (as in physiological shock, eg blood loss, not psychological shock eg fear or surprise!!)

So this poor lady had a prolonged labour before the baby was actually due, and may well have lost too much blood during this, causing hypovolaemic shock = syncope.

(but if so, nowadays the order of these two would be reversed on the death certificate. The cause of death would be the shock, which in turn was caused by the labour).

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The Common Room / Re: Problem with Ancestry
« on: Monday 18 March 24 12:13 GMT (UK)  »
Hints always need to be looked at carefully and not just accepted; but you have to be able to open them to do that. And when you want to attach a census to a family you definitely need to see the nitty gritty of the entry!

Anyway, (should anyone else have a similar problem), I've discovered that disabling the adblocker on my antiviral software allows me to open said censuses etc. I'll leave this here in case it helps anyone else.

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The Common Room / Problem with Ancestry
« on: Sunday 17 March 24 19:39 GMT (UK)  »
For that last week or so, I've been unable to open any Ancestry hints. Is anyone else having the same problem? Any idea how I can resolve it?

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The Lighter Side / Re: "What happened to Dorcas and Arscott Hender after 1860?".
« on: Sunday 17 March 24 15:22 GMT (UK)  »
Aha, well done Haywood; and he married Dorcas Hender in stratton (near bude) on 31 March 1836.

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The Lighter Side / Re: "What happened to Dorcas and Arscott Hender after 1860?".
« on: Sunday 17 March 24 15:11 GMT (UK)  »
Please could you clarify a few things in your post?

You refer to a great uncle in your first sentence but Dorcas is a woman's name; was this Arscott's wife?

I can't see anybody with "Arscott" as a first name anywhere in England, using FindMyPast.

You say "nee Pomeroy" but this seems in your post to refer to Arscott; did you mean it to refer to Dorcas, or was it possibly Arscott's mother's maiden name?

Are you wanting info from before they left the UK or after they arrived in Canada?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What's written on this hat?
« on: Sunday 17 March 24 15:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you Rena and Annie.

It would have been nice to hear from JackYorkshire as well.

Oh dear. Yes, you are quite right.

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Derbyshire / Re: Smith and Milnes of Dunstan Hall
« on: Thursday 14 March 24 14:01 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for looking, Maddys52.

I have a load of info about the Pegges, and their links to the Smith/Milnes families, but so far nothing to link Courtney Smith to the same families.

However! I've found out this morning that Courtney's father, Richard, was minister at Edensor and chaplain to the Duke of Devonshire. I've even found a portrait of him, here:

https://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/1129249

Richard's memorial at Edensor states that he was a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge, so I've had a look at the alumni lists for Cambridge as they can give info re a person's birthplace -- but no joy so far.

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Derbyshire / Smith and Milnes of Dunstan Hall
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 22:23 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to place the Reverend Courtney Smith into the Smith/Milnes family who owned Dunstan Hall, near Chesterfield, but I am getting myself thoroughly confused and Smith is not a good name to research when you're getting sken-eyed!

Courtney Smith was baptised in Edensor in 1808, the son of Richard and Charlotte Smith. He was a clergyman at Barlow. He married Emily Barnes in Brampton in 1835; their last child was Ernest Broughton Smith (I'm pretty sure that middle name is relevant). He died in Pleasley but is commemorated in the grounds of Beauchief Abbey.

Beauchief Abbey was owned by the Pegge family (or Pegge-Burnells by the late 1700s). Peter P-B had, in 1782, married Mary Lee, who was the widowed daughter of William Milnes of Aldercar. Peter's mmn was Broughton and his son in law/nephew (they were keen on marrying in!) was Broughton Steade (aka Broughton Pegge-Burnell). So that's why I suspect the Broughton name is significant.

William Milnes, Mary's father, had a brother Richard Milnes, who owned Dunstan Hall. He in turn had a son Richard Milnes  (1747 - 1824) of Barlow Grange.

At some point in the 19th century (I think) the Milnes at Dunstan Hall changed their name to Smith, or maybe added Smith as a second surname, I'm not clear on this. Maybe it was the other way around? Genuki has a comment from 1817; Dunston-hall some time belonging to the family of Milnes, is now the property and residence of Mrs. Smith, grand-daughter and heiress of the late Richard Milnes, Esq.  One of their number, William Broughton Smith (WBS - it's that name again!) married Mary Steade, who was Peter PB's granddaughter, and his son gained a royal licence in 1873 to use the Milnes surname again.

So ultimately I think that Courtney Smith, commemorated in Beauchief Abbey, was probably related to Mary Pegge-Burnell who came from the Milnes family but as I said, I've got myself confused and don't blame anyone for being equally confused now!

Can anyone help me untangle this? Many thanks in advance!

(And if you think this is bad, well some of the descendants of WBS's line in Australia decided to drop a couple of names as otherwise their surname would have been Craven-Smith-Milnes-Pegge-Burnell!!)





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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: What's written on this hat?
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 19:38 GMT (UK)  »
I agree! RCers are amazing!

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