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Armed Forces / Re: Previous Service on Attestation as "Baden Powell Scout 3rd Class"
« on: Monday 14 September 20 21:36 BST (UK)  »
Thanks guys - my suspicion was that "Baden Powell Scout" was more of a description than a unit title but what it actually referred to, I had no idea, so thanks for the details.

In the South Africa Constabulary medal rolls there is a Trooper 3rd Class E Duncan E2802. Discharged by purchase. 1901 and 1902, Cape Colony and Orange Free State clasps.
Thanks very much indeed - eventually I found the rolls are on TNA Discovery's Digital Downloads - WO 100/273 for South African Constabulary: "E" Division and Miscellaneous should anyone else come across this post and want to know.

Now all I have to do is try and figure out if he is my rellie - birth details and father look promising...

Armed Forces / Previous Service on Attestation as "Baden Powell Scout 3rd Class"
« on: Sunday 13 September 20 22:50 BST (UK)  »
I'm looking at this chap in Ancestry's Australia, World War I Service Records, 1914-1920:
Name:    Edward Duncan
Age:    36
Birth Year:    abt 1878
Birth Place:    Dundee, Scotland
Dossier Year Range:    1914-1920
Enlistment Place:    Melbourne, Victoria
Father:    Mr E Duncan

On his attestation form of October 1914, there is the usual question about any previous service, and he replies:
Yes, Baden Powell Scout 3rd Class
trooper South African War 1 year 7 mths
(His father's current address in 1914 is in South Africa but how long he's been out there, I've no idea.)

Can anyone explain what "Baden Powell Scout 3rd Class trooper" might mean? Naturally, any Google search I do is drowned by references to Boy Scouts and I'm not finding any references in ordinary family history literature to any Boer War unit that has that title.

Grateful for any help, thanks.

Devon / Re: Fire Beacon Home Tiverton
« on: Thursday 07 May 20 21:01 BST (UK)  »
From (a historical description of Tiverton)

"A Home for children afflicted with incurable diseases has been established in a farmhouse, known as “Fire Beacon,” and standing on a hill overlooking the Exe valley, about. 2 ˝ miles north of the town: the inmates are ten in number; the Home was instituted and is maintained at the sole expense of Mrs. Unwin."

"Mrs Unwin's Home, Hayne, Tiverton" is then referenced on of Peter Higginbotham's "Children's Homes" site, but no more details than the address are given there.

Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Ann adamson
« on: Wednesday 06 May 20 15:56 BST (UK)  »
Between 1841 and 1851 is before the start of civil registration in Scotland (1855) so there would be no question of registering his death. "Death" records in Scotland in that era basically concern the funeral which, if he were lost at sea, wouldn't be a concern. Even if he were buried in Scotland, the chances are poor that any record exists, though you'd need to consult the NRS site to see whether there are any burial records for that locality. This applies, of course, even if he died before 1841.

Indeed, it occurs to me that I think (but am open to correction) that the 1841 does not record widows / widowers, so he could have died before 1841.

... However, to be fair to FamilySearcher2020, confusion about coats of arms has always been very widespread, in England as much as in the USA. ...
Indeed. Not helped by people who want to sell you a nice, expensive print of what you think is your family's coat of arms. The more reputable shops like that still want cash but if you look carefully, don't actually say anything about it being your arms or your families. Buyer beware...

There is no such thing as a family crest in English heraldry. Arms are granted to a person and belong only to that person, until their death. At that point they may be inherited by the eldest son (will be? may be? not sure). No-one else is entitled to carry them - except that the other sons of the arms-bearer may carry their father's arms but with what is termed a difference - something like a bar across the shield. If I understand correctly, however, those differenced arms cannot be inheritted. Naturally, lots of younger sons did something to persuade the College of Arms to grant them arms but again, those arms will be held in their own right.

The situation is different under other systems - Scotland, for instance, does have the concept of a genuine family crest for particular clans. The crest (but only the crest, not the full set) can be displayed by anyone with the matching surname.

Cheshire / Re: Orphanage records
« on: Saturday 04 April 20 14:13 BST (UK)  »
I've just discovered that my GG Grandfather Isaac Reid may have been an Orphan, born in Macclesfield in 1831, ... I'm sure his birth must have been recorded somewhere. ...
Hang on - let's get back to basics. There are no mandated birth reports in England & Wales until 1837. There are "only" baptisms. It is by no means unusual to see baptisms that include birth-dates - I think that typically this happens for delayed baptisms, so do have a look for one of those. (Some other parish registers included birth dates as a matter of course - Witton at Northwich did, for instance, but that is quite rare).

There is therefore very little likelihood that his birth is recorded anywhere in a contemporary record.

Even baptism was not mandated - indeed, anyone born into the Baptist faith would not be subject to an infant baptism, for instance, while even nominally CofE children might be missed for all sorts of reasons. (I am assuming that you have looked for baptisms in the area).

Adoption was only informal at this time, so records are unlikely to exist.

What might be interesting to look at is to see whether there is anything in the Poor Law records, as an orphan might end up chargeable to the Poor Law authorities. I don't, I'm afraid, have any understanding of Macc Poor Law records - but it looks like none apply for your era -

The very fact that your chap is so vague suggests that there is no baptism known to him. He might, of course, be wrong.

Staffordshire / Re: Eliza Leeson Mow Cop 1911
« on: Friday 03 April 20 12:21 BST (UK)  »
... Rode Heath and Odd Rode are misleading if located in Stoke-on-Trent.  It sounds like a modern postcode allocation.  ...
Yes, SoT seemed to grab a chunk of the bottom right hand corner of Cheshire for postal purposes. Today, for instance, nearby Alsager has a Stoke-on-Trent postal address and post-code - how far back that went, I don't know, but reference is often made in directories to postal towns, so probably for some considerable time.

Devon / Re: Was Mary Hingston illegitimate?
« on: Wednesday 25 March 20 16:49 GMT (UK)  »
... Mary was christened on the 6th of March 1727 ...
Always a good idea to record an ambiguous date - when you write it up - in the Dual Calendar style. Thus 6 March 1727/28 here. It makes it easier to answer questions like yours because the modern calendar equivalent is easily visible.

Of course, you have to be able to work out the Dual Calendar value to start with. Question 1 is - when did the new year start (before 1752)? And the answer is the new year started on 25 March (Lady Day). How do you remember that? Because it's exactly 3 months after Christmas Day - that makes it slightly more memorable.

So 26 March 1727 (say) could only be 1727 in their calendar and ours - it's after New Year's Day. Indeed, 25 May 1727 could only be 1727.

The second problem is that some parishes may have already shifted to using 1 January as the change of year. It always pays to check the original images to see where the new year starts in the text. Occasionally, of course, a register might be so sparsely populated that it's not clear.

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