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Lancashire / Re: BERTHA WHITTENBURY (born c.1810)
« on: Monday 13 March 23 18:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Hugh,
How very nice to get your reply. I am indeed a Wright - on my mother's side of the family - but not a Derbyshire Wright.
Mine were in Hillingdon. They were in Colham Green, very near Hillingdon Hall, which I believe had a Derbyshire Wright connection. The Wrights of Colham Green were apparently market gardeners, and I don't know if there was a Derbyshire connection or not. I would be pleased to think there might be.
My mother married a Czech but I have always used my mother's surname (people can actually pronounce it!)
My mother's mother was a Gisborne, which is where the connections with the Whittenbury family come in. The Gisbornes were mainly 'professional' (lawyers, etc) but they go back a long way and have an interesting history. I am delighted that Joseph Wright of Derby painted the Rev. Thomas Gisborne and his wife, and I look forward to finding his picture of whichever Bassano it happens to be.
Thank you for the Bassano family reference. The historian A.L.Rowse was delighted to have cracked the riddle of Shakespeare's Dark Lady, declaring her to be Emilia di Bassano, who was also a poet at the English Court. Forgive me, you probably know all that - and I don't think there has ever been any conclusive proof!! It's probably yet another influence for 'Shakespeare in Love' ...
Jeremiah Whittenbury's first wife Mary died in 1800, and he married Elizabeth Wright in 1802. They didn't hang around in them days.
And yes, it is all very intriguing. I hope my waffle makes sense.
Many thanks again for contacting me, and do let's keep in touch.
All the very best,
Francis
(Crickhowell, Powys, Wales.
I was in Richmond, SW London for 35 years beforehand!)


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Lancashire / Re: BERTHA WHITTENBURY (born c.1810)
« on: Saturday 11 March 23 18:45 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Hugh,
Many thanks for this! Much appreciated.
I have managed to obtain a rather fine copy of the book you mention, and look forward to
going through it.
All good wishes,
Francis Wright

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Northumberland / Re: Descendants of Robert Stephenson and Mabel Carr
« on: Monday 24 October 16 12:19 BST (UK)  »
Hello, and firstly my apologies for leaving you in the lurch without a reply. I am afraid have have been forgetting to check the Rootschat site for ages.
Robert Stephenson and Mabel Carr are not linked to me in any way - My Stephensons are not far away geographically, but I don't think there is a relationship. My Marmaduke Stephenson hails from the East Riding of Yorkshire, and came from a long line of farming folk. Sheep, I think.
If I learn anything else at all that helps to shed some light, I will of course let you know.
Thanks very much for writing, and once again my apologies for seeming ill-mannered.
All good wishes,
Francis Wright (direct descendant of quite a few Marmaduke Stephensons!)

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Derbyshire / Re: Beaumont
« on: Tuesday 08 September 15 16:55 BST (UK)  »
Hello!
May I stick in my oar, and ask you to look at my family history blog at www.franciswright.wordpress.com  - please scroll down until you find the Beaumonts, and you might find the Gisborne family interesting on the way. In the mid 19th century, a daughter of John Sacheverell Gisborne married one Guillaume (William) Beaumont. According to censuses, Guillaume/William was born in 'foreign parts' and/or France in about 1785. Legend has it that as a child he was an escapee from the Frech Revolution, but as he was 'a British subject' that doesn't really hold water as far as I know. He later opened a school in Lancashire.
The Gisbornes were immensely well-connected in Derbyshire and Staffordshire, and in the last couple of weeks I have reached the conclusion that Estelle Beaumont's family was probably from the same county. Maybe from somewhere like Barrow Hall in Barrow-on-Trent (a Mrs Beaumont can be found there,) or maybe from Derby itself. One doesn't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out the  marriages that linked property and land - and maybe wealth ...
I must confess I was surprised to see how geographically close a Beaumont family actually was to the Gisbornes in Derbyshire, and I wonder if maybe the puzzle might be a bit closer to solving, thanks to your posting here.
Happy to exchange ideas with you if you like. Please feel free to get in touch.
Best wishes,
Francis Wright

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Derbyshire / Re: BERTHA WHITTENBURY (born c.1806)
« on: Thursday 26 February 15 12:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, how very nice to hear from you. I am descended from John Sacheverell Gisborne (Hartley's eldest, I think) and Estelle Beaumont. If you are on Ancestry, let me know your ID and I will send you an invitation to have a look at my tree - I have recently added a rather lovely Gainsborough portrait of John Gisborne (1717-1779) which you might enjoy. I've only just managed to find it. The original is in America - like the painting of Anne (Bateman) his wife.
I would be delighted to share/swap any info that I have, so do feel free to drop me a line at *
Many thanks for getting in touch. At some stage it would be lovely to see a picture of the ring. It's details like that that bring everything to life.
Yours,
Francis

*Moderator comment: personal e-mail address removed in accordance with RootsChat general practice.  Please use the personal message system to exchange such  information.  Thanks

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Lincolnshire / Re: GRAY and HOLDERNESS of Sleaford
« on: Sunday 21 December 14 08:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello, how very kind of you to post this. Many thanks.
Doesn't matter how long it takes to find the bits and pieces - after all, it's like a gigantic jigsaw ...

Best wishes for Christmas and 2015!
FW

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England / Re: 1834 MARRIAGE OF JOHN GISBORNE (b.1797) to ANNE SUSAN COATES
« on: Wednesday 10 October 12 05:43 BST (UK)  »
Hello!
I have sent you my contact details via a personal message on Rootschat.
I look forward to hearing from you.
All the best,
FW

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England / Re: 1834 MARRIAGE OF JOHN GISBORNE (b.1797) to ANNE SUSAN COATES
« on: Wednesday 08 February 12 19:27 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much indeed. Sorry for the tardy reply - didn't get a notification. Better late than never!
FW

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England / 1834 MARRIAGE OF JOHN GISBORNE (b.1797) to ANNE SUSAN COATES
« on: Tuesday 31 January 12 16:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hello!
Can anyone help me locate the marriage of John Gisborne (b.1797, in Staffordshire) to Anne Susan Coates ? I believe the marriage took place in 1834, in Manchester, Lancashire.
The groom's family came from Staffordshire, his parents being John Gisborne - originally of Yoxall, Staffordshire - and Millicent Sacheverell Chandos Pole, originally of Radborne Hall, Derbyshire.
The marriage took place in 1834, but I can't find it.
Many thanks in anticipation. You haven't failed me yet!
FW
(John was at sea by about 1815, aboard the HMS Asia, and records of him are rather scanty - although he turns up in the 1871 census as a 'Retired Naval Officer', ending his days in Devonshire, still married to Anne Susan.)

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