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Cornwall / Re: Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Friday 05 April 24 16:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello all, I have had the below reply from
Falmouth History Archive @ The Poly


Many thanks for your email to the Falmouth History Archive regarding the records for the Falmouth Sailor's Home and Hospital.

I regret that the Archive does not hold any original documents relating to these organisations.

However, we do have a couple of photographs of the Home/Hospital in Bank Place, attached, that may be of interest.

The photo from Brian Osborne's collection is dated c. 1900, and we can date the one showing the passengers from the wrecked SS Paris which went ashore at Lowland Point, Coverack on 21 May 1899 (another Osborne photo - their studios were in Arwenack Street, just up the road to the right) - everyone was rescued safely!

I am fairly sure that the Archive has some references to the Sailor's Home on Bar Road (Armyn House) and will try to look these out when next in the Archive on Tuesday morning. I'll report back.

I'm sorry that we cannot help with the records but hope this is of some help.

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Cornwall / Re: Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Friday 05 April 24 16:22 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: AlanBoyd on Thursday 04 April 24 08:36 BST (UK)
If this did come to fruition it would be in time to explain the mentions of such a hospital in the 1827 accounts listed in your original post. Note that there is no mention made of replacing an existing establishment.

24 April 1818: West Briton and Cornwall Advertiser
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We are informed that the Merchant Seamen's Committee at Falmouth have it in contemplation to purchase a part of the materials of the temporary barracks at Pendennis Garrison for the purpose of erecting a Merchant Seamens' Hospital at that port. The spot, however, on which we understand it is intended to be erected, is not perhaps the most unobjectionable.

Thanks Alan.

Think I need to make a timeline.


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Cornwall / Re: Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 20:40 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: AlanBoyd on Wednesday 03 April 24 20:33 BST (UK)
Here is a strange reference to ‘the former Sailor’s Home’ in the 1871 census. Is this just a relocation of the Royal Cornwall Sailor’s Home? Probably, but I’m adding this here for information.

Thanks Alan. Let's see if the answers can be found to all this and the establishment dates and various locations and closure dates.


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Cornwall / Re: Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Wednesday 03 April 24 19:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi I have had the following incredibly helpful reply from Kresen Kernow and while it helps understand more, the answers I am looking for are yet to be be fully found. I will keep this forum updated.



I have searched both catalogues for a collection relating to any seamen’s hospitals in Falmouth, but without success. I can certainly see the difficulties faced in determining the construction of any sites. I undertook searching on the British Newspaper Archive (BNA), as I cannot find any index reference for the 1750 date in Susan Gay’s ‘Old Falmouth’ (1903). If using the BNA results, it appears there are two separate hospitals.

The Royal Cornwall Sailor’s Home & Hospital which was built at Bank Place in 1852 (Whetter, J., The History of Falmouth, pg.77), and this does appear on Ordnance Survey mapping from the 1st ed. (c1880s) onwards – it also ties in with the expansion of the Seamen’s Hospital Society to open branches at ports, rather than operating hospital ships before the Seamen’s Hospital Bill in the 1860s closing the founding Dreadnought ship.

We do also know that the Seamen’s Bethel and Institute appears to have been built around this timeframe (which would have likely served patients within the hospital), newspapers dating it’s construction in 1849 in Quay Street, and can still be seen today.

In regard to an earlier hospital, there are BNA mentions of the potential building of a Merchant Seamen’s Hospital, of which the ‘…purchase of materials of the temporary barracks at Pendennis Garrison’ (West Briton, 24 Apr 1818), however, this is predated by an article from, which mentions ‘…a hospital is about to be erected for the Garrison at Falmouth’ (Royal Cornwall Gazette, 8 Dec 1804) – both articles attached.

The Falmouth Dispensary and Humane Society appears to open around this time too, in 1807, so it is hard to determine whether these two latter hospitals would have had designations / provisions for mariners needing treatment / seeking health rehabilitation. We hold a collection for the dispensary, and you would be very welcome to view any items from this, should you wish to view it for your research – archive ref. HC16.

I certainly don’t think this comprehensively answers your question and the lack of referencing for Susan Gay’s 1750 date makes this somewhat trickier. Therefore, I would recommend contacting the NMMC in Falmouth (Bartlett Library) to see if they can further signpost you to local records (i.e., harbour masters log books that note seamen needing treatment upon arrival) or organisations that might have undertaken similar research projects over the years, such as the Falmouth Local History Group at the Poly.

As the Seamen’s Hospital at Bank Place would have been most likely part of the Seamen’s Hospital Society, it might be worth contacting the Seafarer’s Hospital Society to determine where wider historic collections are held - https://seahospital.org.uk/.

I hope this helps a bit and best of luck with your research (I will continue to search for a reference for Susan Gay’s 1750 date and if anything surfaces, I’ll get back in contact).


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London and Middlesex / Re: Brick Wall Help - Blamé and Moore families 1700s City of London/Southwark area
« on: Sunday 31 March 24 15:41 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BushInn1746 on Sunday 31 March 24 15:20 BST (UK)
"My ancestor was John Thomas Moore (1780-1862) who was a Waterman who was born in and lived his whole life in the Southwark area. He married Jane Hemmings in Greenwich in 1800 and from 1812 until his death lived in Pitt's Place, Bankside in Southwark."

Will listed
This chap left a Will Proved 1862, Wills can sometimes reveal bits you don't know, but for Ł1.50 (via Online ordering) it might be worth getting?

If you go to the Official gov.uk webpage.

Type in the Search box ... Probate Wills (within the official site), it will take you to some links and from one of the links you can Register (was free) search and order Wills.

A few official Wills Index (Calendar) pages sometimes have a folio number written adjacent to the relevant entry as well, if so, include this in the relevant box with the details from the brief Wills Index (Calendar) description.

Mark

Thanks Mark. I actually did indeed get this will a long time ago and it certainly helped fill in some gaps and that he owned properties in Pitts Place in Bankside.

It is funny when you revisit a line that you have not looked at for a long time. You have to get back in the zone for the branch!

I would love to know where his money came from as I expect he inherited from someone, but no luck yet. I have not found a will for his father George, who seems to have died in 1821.

I hope something may emerge at some point!

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brick Wall Help - Blamé and Moore families 1700s City of London/Southwark area
« on: Sunday 31 March 24 10:37 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for this article. That is interesting indeed.

I wonder if George Moore and Martha Mackey Moore were siblings and so George named a son after his brother-in-law.

However despite her unusual name, I cannot find a baptiam of a Martha Mackey Moore.

Some people on ancestry have put George's parents in and identifed his baptism, but George Moore is a common name.

I need to look more into this.

Thanks again for posting,
Jon

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brick Wall Help - Blamé and Moore families 1700s City of London/Southwark area
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 18:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hello and great to hear from you.

I have replied to your message on ancestry.

Jon


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Cornwall / Re: Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 12:03 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: AlanBoyd on Saturday 30 March 24 11:57 GMT (UK)
The West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser, September 5th 1851

On the front page there is an item announcing the aim of founding a Sailors Home at Falmouth. It is probably a little too long to post in its entirety. It seems to be the project of a Captain Hall, RN FRS, who apparently has already succeeded with similar establishments elsewhere. This is clearly a new establishment: the aims are set out, there is a list of more than twenty 'presidents' and a committee of 30-40. Donations and subscriptions are solicited.

I'm not sure how this fits with the earlier founding date that you quote, but I did notice that one of your linked items refers to a home for merchant seamen, whereas this is clearly focussed on the Royal Navy, with many of those on the committee being "RN". So perhaps there are two establishments being conflated?

That is very helpful and makes total sense. Thank you.

There must have been one hospital for merchant seamen and another for naval sailors.

So the merchant seaman one (which interests me) was open from 1750 to at least 1814.

The naval sailor one opened in 1852.

Think that cracks the confusion there and evidently indeed a conflation.

Thank you!

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Cornwall / Re: Falmouth Seamen's Hospital and records
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 09:49 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: maddys52 on Saturday 30 March 24 09:38 GMT (UK)
There is also this on British History Online

"The Merchants' Hospital, for the relief and support of maimed and disabled seamen, and the widows and children of such as should be killed, slain, or drowned in the merchants' service, was established about the year 1750, under the authority of an act of parliament, passed 20 Geo. II., for the relief and support of maimed and disabled seamen belonging to the port of London, which gives a power to any out-port desirous of reaping the benefit of that act, by establishing a hospital for seamen belonging to such port, to appoint fifteen trustees for its management, who are annually elected by the owners and commanders of vessels belonging to the port, and confirmed by the corporation in London, which was established under the said act"

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/magna-britannia/vol3/pp99-112#anchorfn5
(the paragraph just before where this link takes you)

Great find. It was called 'The Merchants' Hospital' as an alternative then, so another name!

This bit afterwards is interesting:

 A treasurer, receiver, and secretary, are appointed by the trustees. The present income of the Merchants' Hospital at Falmouth is about 300l. per annum. There are at this time twenty-four regular pensioners belonging to this institution; and the number of widows and children of deceased mariners, who receive relief from this excellent institution, is very considerable.


So we know the 1750 founded hospital was still there in 1814 and the sailor's sixpemce must have been being used to support these men and widows/children of dead sailors.


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