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Surrey / Re: WHITE Ancestry - London and Surrey
« on: Friday 03 December 21 18:31 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Shaun -Sorry the penny took longer than it should have to drop!
Thanks Rosie - I must admit that Great Bookham was a bit far out of town, so I am not surprised if this is not my John W.  I am grateful for help from both of you.

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Surrey / Re: WHITE Ancestry - London and Surrey
« on: Friday 03 December 21 15:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for this Shaun.  I have always been unsure which age is correct.  Thomas's age at death was given as 67, whereas his death certificate states 66.  Which should be believed in these days before registration and where a baptismal record cannot be found?  Similarly with Susannah Vanderkiste, her grave gives her birth date as 2 Dec 1789, whereas her birth record clearly shows 2 Dec 1788.

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Surrey / WHITE Ancestry - London and Surrey
« on: Friday 03 December 21 11:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all - I am floundering and on the verge of requesting professional help, has anyone any recommendations, please?
I have followed my paternal line back to Thomas White who was for decades the licensee at the Artichoke on Newington Causeway, leading up to his death there on 23 Jul 1850 (born in 12 months prior to 23 Jul 1783?).  Thomas and Susannah Vanderkiste married at St Mary Abbott, Kensington on 11 May 1814. 
Thomas had an elder brother John who was a licensee in Hampton, Middlesex and later in New Windsor where he was buried on 25 May 1838 (born in the 12 months prior to 25 May 1774?).  John and Charlotte Ansell married at St Mary’s, Lambeth on 24 May 1802.
I have much information from there down the line to the present day. The big question is: who were the parents of John and Thomas WHITE?
WHITE is a common surname, bmd records are everywhere, and so desperate times call for desperate measures, even amateurish ones.  In desperation I wondered if ‘like father, like son’ John and Thomas’s father was also a licensee, who possibly retained his license for several decades.  A visit to the LMA revealed to me that licensees who retained their license for long periods were quite uncommon.  One record stands out to me, William WHITE who was licensee at the Swan at Stockwell  1792 to 1804, possibly earlier but at the time of my visit earlier records were ‘at risk’ and not available to the public.  Perhaps tellingly Susannah Vanderkiste stated in 1851 that she had been born in Stockwell and there are many Vanderkiste records around Stockwell about that time.  Susannah’s father was a physician who disappeared from the records when Susannah was about 12 years old and it was at that young age that she gave birth to an illegitimate child, William Samuel WHITE.  He stated, at the time of his adult baptism at St Mary’s, Newington on 26 Feb 1823, that he was born on 19 Jul 1802 to parents Thomas and Susannah WHITE.
Back to the big question: who were the parents of John and Thomas WHITE?
Two records, amongst the many, have some appeal.  The marriage of William WHITE of Cripplegate, London and Sarah Carter of St Saviour, Southwark at St Giles without Cripplegate, on 3 Apr 1771.  The second record is of the baptism of John WHITE on 12 Sep 1773 at St Nicholas’ in Great Bookham.  His parents were William and Sarah WHITE.  I have not found a baptismal record for Thomas associated with a William and Sarah WHITE, perhaps William had remarried between the birth of the brothers?
In previous searches I have found records of milling machinery manufacturers (flour milling?) with premises in Cripplegate and home(s) around Camberwell in Surrey.
As you see I have some messy data and I am hoping to find a professional who might be able to tidy things up a bit.  I live in Cheshire and current virus concerns prevent me from further visits to the LMA. Meanwhile, the very best regards to you all.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / 100% England, Wales and Northwestern European
« on: Saturday 06 June 20 11:59 BST (UK)  »
My DNA results show that I have 100% England, Wales and Northwestern European ethnicity.  Ancestry define Northwestern European as an area around Calais plus the Cherbourg peninsula.  However I know that one of my ancestors, the wife of my paternal great grandfather, was Irish, and I know that the wife of my 4x great grandfather was from the Low Countries. 
Questions - Why don't these Irish and Dutch genes show up in my results?
I am male.  Am I to assume that my test results have only examined the male line?
Finally I find it very hard to accept, bearing in mind all the turmoil that has taken part in Europe during the past 2000 years(?), that my gene pool is confined to such a relatively small area.
I would be grateful if someone can enlighten me.
 

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Armed Forces / Re: Michl Stapleton - 27th Dragoon Guards
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 10:18 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Saun.  Yes, that is the register that I have looked at, but you say these are British Registers, whilst the register is headed Canada.

My 3x grandmother stated in 1851 that she was 'born on sea'.  Her age was said to be 56- born around 1795.  This raises the possibility that in 1795 her mother was crossing the ocean with her military husband (Michael Stapleton) on the way to Canada.  In 1861 her daughter stated that she was born in Banagher around 1836 - Banagher is close to Burr.  I am led to believe that there is a birth record of an Ann Stapleton registered in Ontario around 1796 - I only have UK Ancestry so cannot confirm this.

Could Michael Stapleton be Ann's father?  If this is the same Ann Stapleton who had a child in 1836 then why was her surname still Stapleton?  When mother and daughter arrived in England between 1841 and 1851 there was no husband present.

Thanks for your interest.

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Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Stockwell and Newington in Surrey.
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 09:47 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Milliepede and Rosie.  They both said 'not born in the county' in 1841.  The husband died in 1850 -Grrr!, however his wife reported in both 1851 and 1861 that she was born in Stockwell.  There is other evidence to support the fact that she was born there - her father paid Land Tax in Stockwell.  I was hoping for a 'black' or 'white' answer, such as - Newington was seen as being in Southwark borough, whilst Stockwell was seen as being in Lambeth borough and confusing borough with county was a common mistake.  Wishful thinking!

He was my 4x grandfather.  She MAY be my 4x grandmother who gave birth to my 3x grandfather before she was 14 years old.  There is no birth record. They didn't marry (record exists) until the child was 12 and the mother was 25.  My 3x grandfather was baptised when he was 20 and he named his parents as the couple who married when he was 12.  All a bit messy isn't it?

If I could place the father as being 'born in Stockwell', then it would be another piece in the jig-saw puzzle to indicate that they grew up together.  Clutching at straws!

Thanks again, Carl

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Census and Resource Discussion / Stockwell and Newington in Surrey.
« on: Friday 21 February 20 08:57 GMT (UK)  »
Can anyone think of a reason why someone living in Newington, Surrey in the 1841 census might say that they were NOT born in that county, only to later declare in the 1851 census that they were in fact born in Stockwell.  Was Stockwell in Lambeth and was Lambeth not part of Surrey?

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Armed Forces / Michl Stapleton - 27th Dragoon Guards
« on: Saturday 08 February 20 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
It would appear that Michl Stapleton (born in Burr, Ireland) was recruited into the 27th (later the 24th) Dragoon Guards in 1793 and then mustered in Canada on 25 Mar 1796.  I think that he may later turn up in the Napoleonic Wars in the 53rd Regiment of Foot before his discharge in 1815. (In those times Burr was just a few miles from Banagher (Ofally) which was the closest (?) British garrison to North America).  Military records are not my forte and I am wondering if anyone can add to the above.  Thanks for reading, Carl.

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Irish immigrants - Stapleton
« on: Saturday 01 February 20 13:29 GMT (UK)  »
Silly me, stupid mistake.  My best guess is that Ann Stapleton was 'born on the sea' whilst sailing to North America / Canada - there is apparently a birth registration in Quebec in that name around 1795.  Bannagher, Ireland, where her two daughters was born was the nearest(?) military establishment to Canada and there is a military record of a Michael Stapleton, 27th Regiment of Foot dated 25 Mar 1796.  Then a death record of a Michael Stapleton aged 41 in Macclesfield in 1846 (obviously not the same person).  Death reported by Mary Ann Stapleton - no relationship provided. Making sense of this information is what keeps me awake at night - LOL.  Regards  Carl

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