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Replying to jonw65 #151 post. Re. Henry Hamblin Beale younger sister Maria BC may help.

Ordered her death cert too.

Please find “Maria’s Hamblin” birth certificate, “Maria Hamblen Beale” death cert details,  from GRO image.

BIRTH:
Where were born: 10 March 1874, 2 Manchester St.
Name if any:             Maria Hamblen.
Sex:                            Girl.
Name father:            Henry Hamblen.
Name mother:          Maria Beale.
Rank prof father.      Merchant  Clerk.

Signature, Description Res informant:
H. Hamblen, Occupier, 2 Manchester Street, Pancras.

When Reg.   18 April 1874   
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DEATH:
Where when died:  28 Aug 1875, 13 Gt Ormond yard
Name surname:     Maria Hamblen Beale
Sex:                         Female
Age:                         1 year & 6 months
Rank & prof:            Daughter of Maria Beal a Domestic Servant.
Cause:                     Meningitis
Informant:   Maria Beale, mother present at death, 13, Gt Ormond Yard, Queen Square.

Quote from: jonw65 on Wednesday 12 July 23 20:45 BST (UK)

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879

But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645

He is with Samuel and Maria in 1891 as Willie age 12, so I think he must be the William who appears with them in 1881 with wrong age given. He marries Julia Davies in 1908 as William Samuel Police constable in Clerkenwell. He is with Julia in 1911 as William and in 1939 as Samuel W (birthdate 18 June 1879). Not sure what the Henry was about!

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Quote from: jonw65 on Wednesday 12 July 23 20:54 BST (UK)

Quote from: Calpe 1704 on Tuesday 11 July 23 21:12 BST (UK)

So I'm to understand that Maria Beale possibly had three children by a guy also with a surname Hamblen, and it appears he could have been a wine merchant, called Jacob Henry Hamblen?

He is named as Henry Hamblen (says Hambler) on the birth certificate of the first child, but I think he could be Jacob Henry, yes.

Quote from: Calpe 1704 on Tuesday 11 July 23 21:12 BST (UK)

So with three children Maria Beale, used the surname of the assumed father Hamblen.
Might there have been a possible marriage to Mr J. H. Hamblen?

No, she was a spinster when she married Mr. Collins later (despite using the Hamblen name)
Jacob Henry Hamblen was already married to Julia. I think they may have split up, but can't be sure at the moment.

Quote from: Calpe 1704 on Tuesday 11 July 23 21:12 BST (UK)

We then learn that Maria Hamblen (nee Beale not used) married a Samuel Collins.
Date/Year known?

Samuel and Maria married 21 April 1877, and I posted the image in Reply #134

Henry Hamblin Hamblen or Hambler, what ever his surname was, its appears to be a bit of a nightmare to establish what actually was the original surname and that perhaps the spelling has varied over the years due to registrars errors.
I believe original certificates or digital images are needed to check all these entries to see where the variations began.

Interesting to see Henry Hambler (1828-1874) and Maria E. Beale (1849-?) had a 21 year age gap!
If i'm correct we know the dates of this Henry having passed away aged 46.

But for Maria E. Beale we only have her birth year 1949.
She married Samuel Collins in 1877 aged 28, 3 years after the death of her first partner/husband, Henry.
Samuel Collins having appeared to have separated from his first wife Julia before tieing the knot with Maria E. Beale (Hamblen).

Samuel Henry Collins on that baptism, 12 Sep 1880
Yes, it says he was born 17 June 1879
But he was registered as Samuel William!
COLLINS, SAMUEL  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: HAMBLER 
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 645