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Thanks for the definition.I thought gabardine was the material, but was also used to describe garments made from it especially when it was used for raincoats .
Burberry was similar, material used for a special purpose so those garments ,again coats,  became known as Burberries .
Just like stockings became known as nylons ,previously they were silk “ stockings” or “ lisle stockings”but nylons when that material was invented.
I can see the style might well have come from the distinctive wear of Jewish men ,long straight coats ,and became absorbed into English ,there were many Jews here in the Middle Ages.
The word for such a coat would then be the same as the original Jewish one.
How interesting.

Lancashire / Re: Rainwear Manufacturers Ancoats, Manchester in the 1960s
« on: Sunday 19 September 21 23:52 BST (UK)  »
So my lovely Jewish friend almost got me started on a career in sewing!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Apologies Runner55 for going "off topic" on your thread, but....

Viktoria, you never fail to give me a good laugh reading your stories.  So many lovely memories of years gone by mixed with your wicked sense of humour, I love 'em  ;D :-*
Sorry too to go off topic ,I got mixed up re which topic I was with.
There is another about the euphemisms “ sewer,seamstress, dressmaker “
All terms that have been used to describe prostitutes on Census returns!
Hence my referral to men needing some sewing being done snd the possibility my friend not turning up could have got me into a life “ sewing”.
I missed a bit out though, outside  The Bodega ,a woman was standing on the other side of the doorway.
After a couple of men had approached me,presuming I was a “dressmaker  “
she came across and told me to get off her pitch!!!!
That is when I went inside ,she was quite frightening!
You must also understand our knowledge of such things was very sketchy.
I don’t know how I got into The Bodega, but no one on the door.
Anyway, all turned out well ,never told my parents and my boyfriend was incandescent but he too presumed I would be aware of much more than I actually was.
So sorry for hijacking the topic ,but some of the men on Market St and along Piccadilly would be wearing raincoats so that is my excuse.

The Stay Safe Board / Re: Diary > Summary - Week ending 19th September
« on: Sunday 19 September 21 20:28 BST (UK)  »
Yes, wild garlic and ransoms are the same ,leaves like Lily of The Valley ,broad spear shape.Very mild garlic taste in the leaves.
Flowers on tall stalk ,white pom-pom shaped.
Alexanders,trifoliate, flower heads yellow a bit like cow parsley.

Lancashire / Re: Rainwear Manufacturers Ancoats, Manchester in the 1960s
« on: Sunday 19 September 21 20:05 BST (UK)  »
Mine too, and ours was not navy blue but Oxford blue,a lighter navy .
So we were stuck to that shop ,StAnne’s Square.
Very expensive as you say.
It puzzled me as Manchester Grammar School for Girls had an outlet in Lewis’s yet ours was in Peter Barrie’s at twice  the price.
Perhaps because it had originally been a private school ,but many girls from ordinary families were there including me, who could not really afford the prices.

Lancashire / Re: Rainwear Manufacturers Ancoats, Manchester in the 1960s
« on: Sunday 19 September 21 17:43 BST (UK)  »
Yes thanks ,I had forgotten Maisie Mosco’s books.
There is a lovely Jewish Museum up Cheetham Hill Road, lovely building, in style somewhat like the Alhambra Palace,The Spanish and Portuguese Synagogue .
The immigrants got off the trains at Victoria station ,found accommodation in the nearby  Cheetham areas.
As they prospered  ,that can be traced up Cheetham Hill Road to Whitefield and Prestwich, better areas.
It is a fascinating story, and true to say the  less expensive clothing which was all very poor people could buy ,was made by the Jewish sewing factory owners.
Many girls at my Grammar school were Jewish ,so clever and I liked them very much.
One got me into trouble though !
We arranged to meet outside a venue on Cross Street Manchester .
The Bodega.At seven one Saturday evening .
We were seventeen ,underage but we did not know anything about licensing laws.This was 1954.
Manchester’s Traditional Dixieland Jazz Band The Saints were playing.
I waited outside , had a bit of trouble from a couple of men ,so went inside.
No sign of her there.
Again a bit of trouble.

Could not see my friend so asked a member of the band ,Alan Ratcliffe the clarinetist to ask if there was anyone from ——— School there expecting to meet a friend .
How old are you .?
Said I ought to leave but at that  time in the evening ,by now not far off eight O’Clock - it was not safe for me to walk up Market St and the end of Piccadilly
as there would be lots of men needing some sewing doing —  :o ;D :o ;D
My bus stop was in Oldham St, near C&A ,opposite Yates Wine Lodge.
He had family there that evening so delegated a nice young man,his nephew to escort me to my bus stop.
And yes ,it would have been dangerous!
At school on Monday my friend (whose family were not very Orthodox ),explained  they  had forbidden her to go as her very orthodox grandparents did observeThe Sabbath and she would have had to leave before sun down ie before the Sabbath ended.
So that was a close shave.
I might have been sold!
But I do think how bold I was ,and daft.
I blamed my boy friend ,he was doing the last two weeks of Z Training ,didn’t like Jazz so I took the chance  whilst he was away.
Told him everything ,always did.
All water under the bridge isn’t it.
But I still go  hot  and cold when I think of it then I end up laughing .
Got a tape of “ T he Saints”play it often.
So my lovely Jewish friend almost got me started on a career in sewing!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The Stay Safe Board / Re: Diary > Summary - Week ending 19th September
« on: Saturday 18 September 21 23:35 BST (UK)  »
Well another week, they do seem to go by quickly.

Had my hair cut yesterday ,within five minutes walking distance , very friendly ,and managed to wash it as I leant forward.
I don’t like a backward wash ,after feeling “ queer” after one years ago.
A plain bob cut but nicely layered.
Did not spend nearly half as much time as my previous one ,hardly blow dried it at all.
However at least the institution I look as if I have just been released from ,was a good one!

A nice bright day.

Took my neighbour her little treat  ,a lemon fool today.
She was not well ,bad back , but I hear very frequent bathroom visits in the night ,so wonder if her kidney function is OK.

Our brown- food and garden waste - bins not emptied .
The silly bin men miss mine out frequently ,a new crew who don’t  seem to remember I have assisted collection,nor my neighbour .
If they don’t come on Monday  and leave it until the correct date it will be eight weeks since it was last emptied.
It will be horrible at the bottom as the little bags disintegrate .
Should be every two weeks.
Honestly ,the mind boggles at the many ways a simple job can be messed up.
I think it a horrible job, but if you are doing it ,do it well.

Watched Sheila Hancock and Giles Brandreth on a canal narrow boat .
In Manchester now ,should be interesting a little further on as I think the canal passes where The Hacienda was.
Quite near  China Town.
The programme about the Settle to Carlisle railway, going over the Ribble Head viaduct was good too .
Posh first class !

Well Ashes to Ashes is on ,I like Philip Glenister .
The programme was filmed where my OH used to live ,his Mum’s house was on once.
We recognised the gasometer! ;D
Gene Hunt to another officer” What’s the matter with you,are you ill?”
“ No gov, why.”
“ You only hit him once “ — re a criminal in custody ,
“ Oh, sorry gov!”
Shocking really wasn’t it!
 ;D ;D ;D


Lancashire / Re: Rainwear Manufacturers Ancoats, Manchester in the 1960s
« on: Saturday 18 September 21 19:01 BST (UK)  »
Yes that was the result of very industrious Jewish immigrants coming to this country from the pogroms in Europe.
Settling not far from Victoria station ,they started the process of making the cloth waterproof.
“ Schmeeren “ or something like that .
Spreading the very strong smelling substance on the cloth and then the seams of finished coats .
There is an enormous Synagogue  there ,”The Great Synagogue ‘ at the bottom of Cheetham Hill Road ,reflecting the size of the Jewish population.
Looking like a Greek Temple with Doric columns .
The Jewish people gave work to the poorest of the poor ,from Angel Meadow.
Doing the tasks on The Sabbath which were forbidden to Orthodox,Ashkenazi
Lighting the fire etc.

A lovely book by a Jewish  writer ,Louis Golding ,about that area .
Magnolia Street, looked it up.
Shiela Hancock and Giles Brandreth travelling to Manchester via that canal.

The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual Occupation?
« on: Saturday 18 September 21 18:43 BST (UK)  »
There used to be a very big church nearby ,St.Andrew’s .
Designated as The Cathedral should the Cathedral be destroyed in the blitz.
Demolished later and the many burials covered with a huge concrete raft ,
No building to be allowed ,but ——

My sister in law was working at Woolworth’s  when the fire started, do you know, the assistants  had to cash up and take the cash to the office!!!
No one would have had any idea of how bad it would be,the top floor had soft furnishings and the polyurethane foam was giving off the lethal fumes.
S in l worked in the food department in the basement .
People ignored the alarms,- customers , and got belligerent when she refused to serve them .Wanted loaves of bread.
Could not get her coat etc ,just had to get out.
With the cash which she handed to a Policeman with the till roll.
The office was upstairs as I understood it.

My M in L rushed down as it appeared on the TV news .
The bus stopped where Newton St. met Piccadilly ,so a short walk along Piccadilly ,but there were cordons etc preventing people getting near for obvious reasons.
However she was alright , we were in Belgium at the time and it was even on the news there .
On the BBC radio too.

That was a very sad day.

The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual Occupation?
« on: Saturday 18 September 21 12:59 BST (UK)  »
Manchester is much changed from that map.
Tib St. is now the next street to Oldham St.
Intersected by Church St further up, at the intersection ( near Affleck’s there is a Banksie)
A little lane ran from Oldham St to Present day Tib St.
Not marked but perhaps also “Back Piccadilly “
The side of C&A one side Saxone on the other , it continued across Oldham St behind Woolworth’s to Lever St. There named as Back Piccadilly.
Yates’s Wine lodge on the corner of it and Oldham St. - a very funny sketch by Mike Harding re a “ Ten pound budgie”,a confusion between a turkey etcetc at Christmas in Yate’s Wine lodge.

The promenade in front of Piccadilly gardens was always a place for “ladies of the night - in inclement weather “ Lewis’s  Arcade.”
(Around Queen Victoria’s statue ,the  “ Ladies in waiting!” )
The arcade AKA “ The Fairy Grotto “ by Uni students at Rag Week
Complete with Father Christmas on Shrove Tuesday.

Many little streets have gone ,Bread street was the name of the street between Tib St and High St,not named on some maps.
Then also named as Back Piccadilly .

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