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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Opinions Sought on Signature Similarities
« on: Saturday 23 February 19 07:00 GMT (UK)  »
Late post, had typed it up & was interupted although there's been a few replies since.

Claire, I would say they are the same hand based on quite a few things

The P for Palmer is joined with the n on John
The gap after the P in Palmer before the continuation with the a is the same
The writing flows the same, the o joins in the same way onto the h in John
The r at the end of Palmer is very similar
The slant on the writing is the same

This is coming from someone whos about to post my own query for same question on 4 signatures I have but its always good to have others opinions.

Just to add ! the fancy scroll  from the 'n' to his fancy 'p' in the big C scroll it look like a number 3  but always inside  the big C as the 'p' up line as a scroll and leaves that gap between the P and almer. Unless he was John Almer but the almer starts with a small lowercase 'a'.

Not many people would leave a gap between the first & second letter of the surname with constancy in a signature

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Opinions Sought on Signature Similarities
« on: Thursday 21 February 19 08:32 GMT (UK)  »

Can anyone give me an opinion whether these two signatures taken 20 years apart could be the same man.


The way he finishes his John off to start the surname - its highly unlikely anyone else would do that.


Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« on: Thursday 10 January 19 01:00 GMT (UK)  »
Have you got her birth certificate, if not, I'd advise you obtain one,  it may help to find her mothers full name, then find her on censuses for an address and people in the households 1841c , 1851c, and 1861c. Then look around censuses for a male Spanish sounding surname near that address.

Though Rosetta a corruption of Hosetta (or visa versa) is not that uncommon as a English, Irish, Scottish or Romany name and bearing in mind a lot of the public were illiterate - Hosetta, Rosetta and Josetta would sound similar.

Gypsy's travelled Europe and could explain foreign DNA from further back in ancestry or time coming down paternal or maternal lines of parents, grandparents and Gt grandparents.

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 20:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hosetta Wimpenny
   Birth Registration
Quarter   Apr-May-Jun
Year   1861
Registration District   Huddersfield
County   Yorkshire
Volume   9A
Page   275
1901 c

Hosetta Mellor
Event Type   Census
Event Date   31 Mar 1901

Jabez Mellor   Head   M   39   Austonley, Yorkshire
Hosetta Mellor   Wife   F   39   Upperthong, Yorkshire (Birth Year (Estimated)   1862)


   Jabez Mellor
Birth Date:   1861
Age:   21
Hosetta Wimpenny
Spouse's Birth Date:   1861
Spouse's Age:   21

marriage date - 20 May 1882
Upperthong, York, England

Grooms Father's Name   Joseph Mellor

Registration District   Huddersfield
County   Yorkshire
Event Place   Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England
Volume   9A
Page   473
Affiliate Line Number   231

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 19:57 GMT (UK)  »
Maybe a connection between a Holmfirth family with Gibraltar

Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Spaniard in Holmfirth in 1860
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 19:06 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, we have no surname but a slight suspicion ( based on her first name) that the father of our illegitimate great grandmother might have been of Iberian origin.
A bit of a long shot but we know that it was not unknown for "foreign" people to visit the area perhaps in connection with the textile industry.

As I don't know your illegitimate great grandmothers first name, so I'll use a taken at random Spanish girls first name.

If the girl was born illegitimate to an English or UK mother with a foreign father, the girl could be named something like (Example only) Bianca Boothroyd or Antonella Kaye using the mothers spinster or widowed surname.

One of your Gt grandmothers children's birth certificate or her grown up child's marriage certificate may have answers

Depending on the illegitimate (Gt Grandmother ) child's mother status ability to bring up supporting the child ? maybe Overseers of the poor records or bastardy orders ?

Absolutely right - I'm a "nosy parker"
Yep! - that  point you make !!!! has not gone unnoticed  ;D ;D ;D

The Common Room / Re: Ladies in Waiting to Queen Victoria
« on: Tuesday 01 January 19 15:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All

dobfarm, they now say a good cup of strong tea, has anti-oxidants and healthful properties.

Our Boss would not have been happy with us, if some of the water wouldn't empty and neither would we!

We were taught having the correct fall is also crucial in horizontal underground drainage, if it runs too fast or two slow.

We were taught how to wipe lead joints, boss lead, weld lead, leadwork, solder, braze, bend and set pipe, copper, thread steel pipe, the whole lot, all the Maths (mainly used by designers). Taught every conceivable thing, including Coal, Gas and Oil Installations, Building Regulations, stopping the spread of fires through floors in high rise, dry and wet Fire risers, electrical flow sensing and control valves, tank fresh water storage, filters, all this was part of our training! Swimming Pools. Drinking & waste water treatment basics. Although a lot is forgotten, it can be looked up again.

Now, I see a Plumbing system and it either looks cheap plastic and very angular, no nice swept bends or very very over complicated.

My Brother-in-Law has a heating & hot water system in a small modern two bed house and it has 3 electric circulating assistors (3 pumps) and the 'Engineers' haven't a clue how to fix it or check it, without telephoning and having the manufacturer's technician talk him through it. Neither did I want to get involved, I have never seen such an over complicated system of dross in my life.

When I see so called Tradesman (never been Apprenticed) cutting corners, I put my head in my hands. It makes me so  >:( angry, or laugh at the stupidity!

Some years ago, I had a letter, begging former Time-served Plumbers to teach and offering figures like 38 an hour. The UK government push people through University and many won't get jobs that pay enough to repay Student loans.

I should like to see the same push for skilled Building Tradesman and Tradeswomen in the UK.

I went to a modern loo in a Hotel Restaurant and I had to flush it 5 times before I could use it. It was also running continuously cistern water into the pan (Water Byelaw Contravention too - wasting treated tap water). When I lifted the lid off, it had the wrong (low) height siphon fitted, no wonder water was running continuous and it wouldn't flush easily!

I absolutely dispair at some of the Workmanship I saw and what I see now, if you can call it workmanship!

Don't need Spa Water, just a good old cup or mug of tea!

Thank you to all who have contributed to my questions.

Best wishes, Mark

1961 after Princess Margaret had complained about our smoky town after her visit to open a new school & we went as a smokeless zone area soon after. We had a tank airing cupboard copper hot tank fitted with a gas immersion heater, the plumber had been moaning to mum while slurping his tea about my dad earning 30 a week at the time with overtime, saying they could not earn nothing near that, just as his apprentice came to tell him he had put the union outer nut on the pipe the wrong way round from the other end of the pipe, he re-melted, then took the inner union off, lost his outer union nut and had to get a new complete union. For 30 years we had that floating outer union nut loose on that cold tank to hot tank pipe. ;D

Now back on topic. ;)

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