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Hi Marion. Although I started this chat some years ago I am afraid I have been a bad boy and have rarely checked back. However, by mere coincidence I saw your enquiry today  New Years Day here in NZ !!!
The connection that you are after is as follows
in 1665/6/7  a John Sadler lived in Ballyryan, Sollohodmore just north of Tipperary town. he is a shadowy figure who seems to be have a descendant of the famous Sir Ralph Sadleir but that is another story.
John had four sons.. John,Richard,Clement and Samuel. The first descent you are interested in goes as follows :
Clement ( Ballintemple)
  his son was Clement William ( Shrone Hill)
  his son was William ( Shrone Hill )
  his son was Clement ( Shrone hill ) married an RC heiress Joanna Scully
  so descendants are RC.
  he had four sons including John the banker and swindler and James who also fiddled the books !!

The second descent you are interested in starts with the fourth son Samuel above ( his estate was Shanballymore)
  his son was Richard ( Scalliheen)
  his son was Richard ( Tipperary Town)
  his son was Richard  ( Holycross & Scalaheen Hse ) He was interesting because he married his second cousin Grace Sadleir, a descendant of the Clement of Ballintemple ( above) !!!
   his son was James ( Brookville)
   his son  was John ( b.Brookville, emigrated to Victoria Australia and was the policeman in charge at Ned Kelly's arrest
    This John was my great grandfather

So there you have it. Do not hesitate to ask for more information about this connection if you wish
Happy New Year    Richard

Hi Richard,

Happy New Year to you too!  And actually I was amazed how quickly you replied, given I only posted my query on New Year's Eve; thank you so much for the info. 
 
So it seems these two were 4th cousins once removed (if I've counted right, these connections do my head in  ) and also had a slightly closer connection through Grace? 

Marion

Hello,

I am wondering if someone can tell me the relationship between John Sadleir of Shronell the disgraced financier and John Sadleir of Brookville, who went to Oz and caught Ned Kelly.  I am not related to the Sadleir family, so I hope no-one will mind me popping up on this thread to ask, but I have been reading about John Sadleir the banker recently and the connection interested me. 

Many thanks,

Marion

Hi All,

There's a new forum devoted to Highgate Cemetery I thought I'd post a link to, which invites people to post about their experiences there, and also to post stories about the "permanent residents"... it would also be a good place to talk about the sorts of frustrations people have experienced thanks to the Friends' reluctance to embrace C20 (let alone C21) technology    But with any luck things will soon be changing on that front  .

Here it is http://www.highgatecemetery-tellingtales.co.uk/index2.htm

Marion

Hi Mafield,

How sad about your grandfather.  Shardeloes Road is close to Nunhead Cemetery and also not far from Brockley and Ladywell Cemetery.  Both cemeteries have groups of Friends that may be able to do searches. 

http://www.queries.demon.co.uk/fonc/
http://www.foblc.org.uk/

Best of luck,

Marion

Hi Lesley,

That's incredible, I'm so glad if what I contributed helped to make the link.  I suppose it's quite likely you have some living Jarman cousins locally, since the last burial was so recent.

I must confess I hadn't read the entire article about Wrenne when i posted the link - just the first paragraph that caught my eye when I found that she was the daughter of a builder called Job. 

You say your side of the family is more interesting if less reputable but I think Wrenne sounds quite a fascinating cousin... and perhaps not entirely reputable if her friendship with Aleister Crowley's anything to go by!  It's a pity the author of that article didn't post a picture of her since she was obviously very striking.  I wouldn't mind finding a few femme fatale poets in my own family and that story about Dylan Thomas is hilarious.  Lovely that there's an ongoing mystery with that grave. 

Marion