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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Monday 10 October 11 15:38 BST (UK)  »
Birth Cert has arrived and it all looks in order except in the date birth registered box there is also a small number in the left hand corner of that box that says 194. Is this a cross reference to something? It has my fathers name and profession as well as my mothers name and maiden name - even though I have found the official deed poll name change to be two years after this date! I guess the little 194 must refer to something but how can I find out?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Monday 10 October 11 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Dear Annie - post above.
Thank you for those thoughts. When I confessed to my uncle I had uncovered a family secret about my mother - he wrongly assumed I knew about my brother, and I pretended I did so he would not feel bad about spilling the beans. Luckily I had a very loving upbringing and whatever the outcome will not tell my brother he may only be half brother, he has always been a whole brother to me. I am just naturally curious about anomilies and so want to tie all these ends together for my own satisfaction. In many ways I admire my mother for managing to hide this for so long. I stumbled upon it purely by accident when researching something else that was going nowhere.
My mother was always a bit vague about when she got married was it 1948,or 49 etc. So I decided to check, couldnt find it so thought it might be even further back so clicked on 10 years plus or minus never for one moment considering it might be plus. Bingo one result popped up in 1961, as you can imagine my curiousity got the better of me and I went off on all sorts of tangents hence finding the deed poll - courtesy of a rootsweb member.
I have to assume my father either pretended he was my brothers father or he really was and therefore managed to amend the birth cert. I am curious to see what arrives in the post.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Saturday 01 October 11 01:05 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your views, it has given me a lot to think about. I hadnt really considered the option that because my father was married they would have to be discreet. And yes, it would be tricky to pretend a child was a different age. If my dad took on the whole package which how would they alter the birth cert later on? I have ordered a copy so will post when it arrives in case there are any clues.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 30 September 11 20:15 BST (UK)  »
Dear Annie - post above.
Thank you for those thoughts. When I confessed to my uncle I had uncovered a family secret about my mother - he wrongly assumed I knew about my brother, and I pretended I did so he would not feel bad about spilling the beans. Luckily I had a very loving upbringing and whatever the outcome will not tell my brother he may only be half brother, he has always been a whole brother to me. I am just naturally curious about anomilies and so want to tie all these ends together for my own satisfaction. In many ways I admire my mother for managing to hide this for so long. I stumbled upon it purely by accident when researching something else that was going nowhere.
My mother was always a bit vague about when she got married was it 1948,or 49 etc. So I decided to check, couldnt find it so thought it might be even further back so clicked on 10 years plus or minus never for one moment considering it might be plus. Bingo one result popped up in 1961, as you can imagine my curiousity got the better of me and I went off on all sorts of tangents hence finding the deed poll - courtesy of a rootsweb member.
I have to assume my father either pretended he was my brothers father or he really was and therefore managed to amend the birth cert. I am curious to see what arrives in the post.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 30 September 11 20:04 BST (UK)  »
My fathers original wife was a Scottish Catholic so I assume you would not divorce him.
My uncle (who lives in Oz) was 8 years younger than my mum and just remembers being told his sister was pregnant by a stranger, then two years later my dad appeared on the scene, I have grilled my uncle who is visiting UK but his memory is a bit sketchy of that time as he was about to or had just left home. My mother did not change her name by deed poll until 1953 (isnt the internet a wonderful tool to find all this stuff out) but my brother was born in 1951 with both my parents names correctly. That is what is puzzling me. Any ideas? As I said I have found an earlier birth with my brothers name but would they really pretend he was two years younger than he was for the whole of his life?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 30 September 11 16:48 BST (UK)  »
I have just ordered the birth certificate, what should I be looking for - is there any shorthand on it that will give me a clue. My brother is 60 and my father died many years ago, my mother is alive but I cannot grill her, as she has spent the last 60 years covering her tracks.  I discovered by accident that my parents did not get married until long after I was born and my mother changed her name by deed poll in order to get a passport as we all lived in the Middle East when I was a baby.  Could it be possible that she had my brother and registered him twice? I have found a record of a baby being born a couple of years earlier with my mothers maiden name (unfortunately Smith = v. common) but my brother forename Robin in the right region. Then again two years later using my fathers name Cooper even though my uncle does not believe they met until my brother was about 2 years old.

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Family History Beginners Board / Amended Birth Certificate
« on: Friday 30 September 11 15:56 BST (UK)  »
I have just learnt from an uncle that my brother is only my half brother. Yet his birth certificate has both my parents names on it, even though my mother had not met my father at the time of my brothers birth. Could my father have retrospectively 'adopted' my brother and had his name put on the birth certificate?

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The Lighter Side / Re: giving a baby up without a trace
« on: Friday 29 October 10 12:39 BST (UK)  »
I suspect my mother gave up a baby without a trace with the help of her parents - she has told me that she had a miscarriage (I dont believe her). I am curious how she could have done this legally/illegally and whether this child if it lived could ever track my mother down. (I wouldnt mind).

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The Lighter Side / giving a baby up without a trace
« on: Friday 29 October 10 00:22 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone tell me if you gave a baby up for adoption in the 1940's there is a traceable record. For example if you were the mother and did not want a legal record could you have the baby, not name it and just hand it over to the authorities, or if you had a baby was it law to register it before handing it over?

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