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Roxburghshire / Re: James Oliver born 26 December 1701 in Jedburgh
« on: Monday 24 April 23 12:00 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply.  Robert Oliver, son of James, was baptised in 1727 in Jedburgh.  Family stories (which may or may not be true) indicate Robert may have been the Jacobite soldier who  left the army and settled in Hartington, Derbyshire.

 I was brought up in Derbyshire, near Derby, where the Jacobite army came to a halt in 1745.  Although it may have been difficult and hazardous, Derbyshire accounts indicate that some soldiers did indeed defect/abscond/desert.  This does give some (although not a great deal) of credence to the family story.

Thanks again for your response.
marp

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Roxburghshire / James Oliver born 26 December 1701 in Jedburgh
« on: Monday 24 April 23 08:43 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for information on James Oliver born 26 December 1701 and baptised on 26 December 1701 in Jedburgh,  So far I have him married to a jean Davidson, marriage date 10 November 1724 in Jedburgh.

The couple had a number of children.  I am particularly intersted in their son Robert Oliver born 16 April 1727 and baptised 23 April 1727 in Jedburgh.    This Robert may be my 5th great grandfather.  If this is the case he migrated to England and died in Hartington, Derbyshire in 1804.

The family story is that Robert was part of the Jacobite army of Prince Charles Edward Stuart which marched to Derby in 1745 and realising there was insufficient support returned to Scotland (ending   in the battle of Culloden).  The  family story goes, Robert left the army in Derbyshire and settled in Hartington where he married and had several children.

I have information on the Derbyshire side of the family but would appreciate it if anyone has information on the Oliver family of Jedburgh.

Any information appreciated.
marp

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Derbyshire / Re: Robert Oliver (born about 1727) died in Hartington in 1804
« on: Tuesday 04 April 23 13:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi, many thanks for your responses.

The question of surname distribution is interesting and I had not thought of that.  I will get around to it.  I had not found the  1723 birth of Robert,  illegitimate son of Sarah Oliver in Chapel-en-the-Frith. Thank You 'Watson".

Trish, thank you for your information.   Robert Oliver married Elizabeth Salt (1729-1767)  at St Giles, Hartington on 9 April 1752.  Among other children they had a son named Robert Oliver bapt Hartington on 17 July 1761.  This Robert married Sarah Alsoppe on 20 August 1786 in Monyash and he died May 1845 in Hartington.

I will follow up the information on Hellen Stevenson and Joseph Oliver who married in 1711.  It indicates that there was a family named Oliver in  Hartington!

Thank you again, both of you.  More work to be done!

marp

There are a few Robert Olivers around in this family so it is important not to confuse them, although easy to do..

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Derbyshire / Robert Oliver (born about 1727) died in Hartington in 1804
« on: Tuesday 04 April 23 04:53 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to trace the origins of my 4th great grandfather Robert Oliver (1727-1804).   He married Elizabeth Salt in Hartington  on 9 April 1752 and died and was  buried in Hartington in 1804.

There is speculation that Robert Oliver was in  Prince Charles Edward Stuart's Jacobite army which ended their march south in Derby in 1745.    I have found a baptismal record for a Robert Oliver  in Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland on 23 April 1727.  However, a search of the army Muster rolls has not revealed any information.

However, the Scottish connection could be just speculation!   I am wondering if anyone can shed some light on the Oliver family of Hartington.  I have good records  onwards from Mary Oliver (1804-1884) daughter of Robert Oliver and Sarah Alsoppe.  Mary married James Stanley in Pentrich  on  5 November 1827.

Any assistance with the Oliver family and a possible Scottish connection would be much appreciated.

thanks, marp


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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Sadler (1739-1809) of Clay lane, North Wingifield.
« on: Wednesday 11 January 23 06:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Spendlove,   Yes I have seen this from the DRO catalogue.  It is of course dated from 1734 which is before the William Sadler in my query was born.

My family tree includes both the Hawksley and Sadler families. However, I felt unable to use this particular piece of information (which is a pity) as it did not  quite fit with  my tree. There have been connections and marriages between these families over the generations.  When I saw this information about two months ago I was trying to sort out the Hawksley family. Let me put it this way, much of it is sorted but not all! 

Thank you for drawing this information to my attention. I had forgotten about it to a certain extent as it did quite fit - the problem being on the Hawksley side.  More work to be done.

thanks again, marp

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Sadler (1739-1809) of Clay lane, North Wingifield.
« on: Monday 09 January 23 21:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Spendlove,

Thanks for the information regarding marriage licences.  it is fairly clear that there was some flexiiblity  on the part of those granting the licence.  I am still looking for the information that during  a certain period there was such flexibility in the parish of South Wingfield, hence the popularity (at least with my ancestors) of using this service.  As for the bondsman, again it would have been unusual for the bondsman to forfeit the bond and a family friend rather than father of the groom might well have been willing to act as bondsman.

marp

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Sadler (1739-1809) of Clay lane, North Wingifield.
« on: Monday 09 January 23 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Spendlove,

 I also noticed that in the 1763 will of William Sadler (grandfather of the William of my original query) that he is a husbandman.   However, at the time of marriage his occupation was that of wheelwright according to the licence.  Perhaps was both a wheelwright and a tenant farmer?

marp

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Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: William Sadler (1739-1809) of Clay lane, North Wingifield.
« on: Monday 09 January 23 10:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Spendlove,

John Hawksley was left 5 shillings in his father's will and sister Ellin twenty-five pounds!  I have not unearthed any information of prior transfer of land/goods so perhaps his father was not pleased with him.

Regarding the marriage licence from South Wingfield, I have come across this a number of times while doing family history of people in the North Wingfield area.   I seem to recall some information  that there was a period of time when it was easy to obtain a licence to marry from South Wingfield even if parents had not given consent as may have been the case with the John Sadler and Ann Hawksley as she was only 17 and so under-age. I have never had the impression that someone had to be resident in the parish of South Wingfield to obtain this licence.  John Sadler and Ann Hawkesley married in Chesterfield.which is of course very near to North Wingfield where both of them lived.

 I find wills fascinating and really informative and accessing them has made a huge difference to doing family history.

marp (Marilyn)

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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) Lookup Requests / Re: Mary Pratman who married Robert Burn in Beverley, Yorks
« on: Monday 09 January 23 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,  thank you so much for your prompt reply.  I  also found the burial of Mary Burn (nee Pratman) and think that her baptismal record you sent to me may be correct. 

I had got myself into a bit of a muddle with the Pratman family and was following a different line (different father) and I think you have set me on the right path.

With regard to Robert Burn you may be correct about Hornsea.  I am following up this line of enquiry anyway. 

Thanks again, marp

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