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The Common Room / Re: GRO digital images
« on: Wednesday 15 November 23 14:10 GMT (UK)  »
Aarrgghh!!  I ordered a death cert for 1949 just last night as a PDF and so paid £7.... >:(  whatever..... that's good news, thanks AntonyMMM. :)

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Worcestershire / Re: George Frederick Miles (1871)
« on: Wednesday 18 October 23 10:55 BST (UK)  »
Selina Dryden was my second cousin twice removed.  There were numerous articles in the newspapers re the terrible murder of Selina and 7 months old Agnes Mary Miles.  Selina was born in Grimsby, to a Whitby family made famous by the number of rescues they made in the local area of people falling into Whitby harbour, being shipwrecked just out of the harbour and general life-saving at sea.  She spent her early years in Whitby.  The Drydens were very prolific in their childbearing years - Selina had 15 siblings, though only 8 made it to adulthood.

In 1921 Selina was working as a domestic servant in Hertford.  Her marriage to George Frederick Miles (born 1900 Barnet) took place at Barnet Register Office. 

The newspaper articles describe the events leading up to the murders and the Illustrated Police News gives a graphic pictorial vision. 

Dundee Evening Telegraph 10 Sept 1925, this also appears in many other newspapers.
"MURDER IN HUTTON GROVE, 1925
In his youth, George Frederick Miles had been a Trooper in the 8th Hussars, before serving 25 years as a mounted police constable in Finchley.  In 1924, he fell ill with ‘neurasthenia’ and had to retire.  Plagued by headaches and abnormal tiredness, he could spend three weeks in bed.  He shared a small house at No. 22 Hutton Grove, Finchley, with his wife Agnes Charlotte and their three daughters, and also his son George and daughter-in-law Selina, and their baby Mary Agnes.  There had once been a quarrel between George Frederick and his son George, after Selina had complained that the ‘dirty old man’ had put his arm around her waist and tried to kiss her, and the relations between the neurasthenic householder and his long-minded daughter-in-law remained very bad.
On the morning September 7 1925, Mrs Agnes Charlotte Miles heard a muffled scream emanate from the kitchen.  Going downstairs to investigate, she saw Selina come running out of the room, with blood gushing from her throat.  George Frederick emerged, with a blood-stained razor in his hand, saying ‘I have killed Lina and the baby too!’  And indeed, the little baby was lying dead on the floor.  Mrs Miles managed to calm down her husband, and to persuade him to give her the razor.  The coroner’s inquest returned a verdict of wilful murder against George Frederick Miles, but the case never went to court.  It turned out that at the time of the murder, George Frederick had been waiting to be committed to the Wellhouse Hospital for neurasthenia and cerebral degeneration.  Had this hospital’s routines involved more speedy committals, much mischief would have been averted.  In the end, George Frederick Miles was found insane and unfit to plead, and incarcerated in a lunatic asylum."

George Frederick Miles (1900) married again in 1929: J1929 Barnet 3 1073.  29 June 1929 Barnet RO.
GFM 29 widower general labourer 112 Station Road, New Southgate s/o George Frederick Miles, Metropolitan Police Pensioner.
Florence Elizabeth Beatrice Greenwood 31 spinster 8 South Road, New Southgate d/o Albert Edward Greenwood, baker.
He died on 23 Feb 1983.

Many of Selina's family attended the funeral on 12 September at St Pancras Cemetery, travelling down from Whitby.  The Yorkshire Evening Post 12 Sept 1925 states “Her aged father and mother who had travelled from their home in Yorkshire were present at the funeral.”
From the Hendon & Finchley Times 18 Sep: The mourners were: George F. Miles, junr. (husband), Mrs. Miles, Mr. Dryden, Elizabeth Miles, Mark Dryden, May Miles, Richard Dryden, Hannah Mary Miles, Ada Dryden, Elizabeth Dryden, Fannie Dryden, Emily Dryden, Elizabeth Dryden, Nora Dryden, Hilda Dryden, Morris Dryden, Mrs. Peart, Mrs. Wren, Mrs. Hutchinson, Mrs. Phillott, Mrs. Lamb, Mrs. Tweedy, and the Misses Miles.




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The Common Room / Re: Age of infants
« on: Tuesday 01 August 23 07:17 BST (UK)  »
Have you checked whether the birth date/year is 1695/96?  If it is Feb 95/96, then a burial in May 96 would mean the infant was only about 3 months old.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Shorthand on an old English letter
« on: Tuesday 01 August 23 07:08 BST (UK)  »
Oh, this is just so interesting, getting all this feedback and more suggestions!  I totally agree with Northanger Abbey, great work, Kinsy. 

Whipby, the thick downward slash in "Northanger" is more like a hard d sound; a hard g sound in New Era would be a horizontal line, like a thick dash, with a little downward facing hook on the left edge if it was to make a 'ger' sound, as in Northanger...  however, as we all agree, each to their own when it comes to writing shorthand!

Going back to the last line of the first letter:  "French ?"  I wonder if that is "improvements", as it looks like the short form for improvement.  Still doesn't make total sense though.

I still have my Pitman Shorthand New Course text books and my trusty shorthand dictionary - time to do a revision course I think.  I do still use many outlines when making notes, if I visit archives or want to jot down a newspaper snippet I've found on FindMyPast, rather than downloading or taking a screen shot of the article.  It's fun to draft out shopping lists in shorthand at Christmas time just to baffle the rest of the household  ;D

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Shorthand on an old English letter
« on: Monday 31 July 23 19:02 BST (UK)  »
Suggestions for the second letter, thanks to Kinsy for starting this one earlier:

Thank you very much for the additional £10.

If the success of ? should encourage you to publish ? by?

(as I hope it will) it will mean? you? could do that for £10 because

there will be no fresh ? to repay?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Shorthand on an old English letter
« on: Monday 31 July 23 18:42 BST (UK)  »

My dear Jack,

Oh Kinsy, how my memory lets me down  :-[  "message back" - not!

I rushed in before reading through the previous posts, and didn't register the reference to the name of Jack!

That outline on the first line that I suggested "scribbled" (which I spelled incorrectly too!) I think you are right with "selected" although it should be an upward l stroke.

I will have them copied at once.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Shorthand on an old English letter
« on: Monday 31 July 23 14:05 BST (UK)  »
I am fairly certain this is Pitman New Era which I learned in 1976.  The tiny crosses are full stops.  First letter:

The three dots (appear twice) as underlining are the writer's own short forms for something, perhaps when he wrote out the reply in long hand, it was to signify something else/fill in the number of anecdotes?

So far with the first one:

Message back  I have a ? number of anecdotes ready scribbelled.  I have

them [in the/now] ?.  Bertenshaw's "unseens" (like all the other "unseens"

in the market) are/which ever/serve? my purpose too? long and I ? enough.  ?

the students ? whatever have ready in any number? of edition? now have ready in

french ?  With kind regards, yours faithfully.

This is a start for someone else to build on but it seems just a straight forward reply.

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Scotland / Re: FindMyPast transcriptions - grumpy rant
« on: Saturday 06 May 23 08:33 BST (UK)  »
Andy J2022 - No, I am not criticising the transcribers at all, I was merely agreeing with Forfarian, the OP, when he commented "because they mangle the names of parishes/districts".  Those 'mistakes' are surely down to the wording of the heading on the census page done by the compilers and how that has been shown in the transcriptions done by FindMyPast/Ancestry, not the fault of the transcribers doing the actual entries. 

I am fully aware of the difficulties facing a transcriber.  I did not mean that the transcriber should be Googling to find the answers, that is for the family historian to undertake when doing their own research.

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The Common Room / Re: Find My Past newspaper search
« on: Friday 05 May 23 11:02 BST (UK)  »
I've just done a search with the new method and a pop-up questionnaire appeared in bottom right corner of the screen asking me to rate it 1 - 5 and give reasons for my rating.  They must have had some complaints so may reinstate the old method - or not  ;)

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