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FH Documents and Artefacts / Re: Unusual bequest in a will
« on: Tuesday 21 April 15 11:18 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your responses.

Viktoria, I love the story about Handsome Ned, and it's certainly possible that Robert may not have held his second wife in high regard. I've just read up on the Married Women's Property Act passed in 1870, which confirms that the act wasn't retroactive, so any property (including money) that Mary had when she married Robert in 1852 was still his to dispose of as he so wished in 1877 when he wrote his will.

Robert's first wife was Selina Brown, her father William was a shoemaker who died in 1841, (before Selina had had any children), and I doubt very much that there was any money to inherit from that side of the family.

Thank you aghadowey for your suggestions. Mary's children were born between 1828 and 1837, so the youngest would have been 40 when Robert made his will in 1877. I'm struggling to find out what happened to them all, but I do know that one of them emigrated to Canada in 1856. Mary's first husband was Thomas Morley (aka Virgo), who died in Brighton in 1837. He was the eldest son of Thomas Morley and Lydia (nee Virgo), and as they were still both alive when their son died, it is quite possible that they contributed to the upkeep of his widow and the five children. I haven't as yet found a will for either Thomas or his father (also Thomas), but I shall certainly explore that possibility.

Mary's father was Thomas Tugnett, shown as a labourer on the 1841 census living in Wiston Sussex, and died in 1845, and I doubt very much that Mary inherited any money from that branch.

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FH Documents and Artefacts / Unusual bequest in a will
« on: Monday 20 April 15 21:37 BST (UK)  »
I have recently bought the will of Robert Smith Sayers who died in Sussex in 1881. I'm puzzled by the contents and wondered if someone could suggest a reason for his actions.

Robert had three sons with his first wife Selina, and after her death he married Mary Lane who was a widow and already had five children, they had no children together.

In the will Robert stipulates that his wife Mary should inherit his wearing apparel, and that his executors should convert all his remaining 'property and effects' into cash. He then goes on to say that if his wife Mary is still alive, then the money should be divided equally between his three sons. If however his wife Mary had already died, then the proceeds of his estate should be divided equally between Mary's five children who are all named in the will.

Mary did not die until 1898, so Robert's sons would have inherited from their father, but I can't understand the reasoning behind leaving his estate to Mary's children if she had already died, thus denying his own three sons of any inheritance.

As Mary was not provided for in the will, I'm assuming that she had private means, she was by profession a dressmaker, so could have supported herself that way. She died in 1898, but I'm unable to locate a will for her to confirm that she had any estate to leave.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has come across anything like this before, or has any ideas as to the reasoning behind it.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Moody St Luke 1851/61 Please.
« on: Sunday 28 November 10 22:17 GMT (UK)  »
And this could be him in 1851,
HO107 1522 folio 254 page 12
1, George Yard, St Luke's, Finsbury
William Moody, head, married, age 53, painter, born Twickenham
Mary, wife, age 51, born St Giles-in-the-fields
Jas, son, age 16, at home, born St Giles-in-the-fields
Sarah, daughter, age 13, born St Giles-in-the-fields
William, son, age 11, born St Giles-in-the-fields
Sarah Page, widow, age 32, born St John's Middlesex
Sarah Page, age 16, born St John's Middlesex
Jane Page, age 1, born St John's Middlesex

The ages of the two brother Jas (James) and William tally with those on the 1861 census, and William the father is shown as a painter, so a fairly good match.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: William Moody St Luke 1851/61 Please.
« on: Sunday 28 November 10 22:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Louise,
William is living at 5 Kings Court in 1861, (the address is shown as 5, Kings Head Court, St Luke's)
ref RG09 0209 folio 85 page 13
James Moody, head, married age 26, cabinet maker, born St Giles, London
Sarah, wife, age 25, born Bermondsey, Surrey
Mary Elizabeth, daughter, age 11, born St Giles
Sarah, daughter, age 1, born St Luke's
William Moody, brother, unmarried, age 21, general dealer, born St Giles

So presumably he remained with his brother until his marriage in 1864.

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The Common Room / Re: Natural daughter or adopted?
« on: Thursday 25 February 10 15:41 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for your responses, it is all food for thought, and introduces other avenues to explore.

The Edward Blanchard who died at sea in 1868 (NSW) was only 22 years old, so not the right guy sadly, but there is no evidence to suggest that Edward came back to England with Maria and Algernon, as Maria was the informant on Edith's birth certificate.  Maria remarried in 1884, and gave her status then as widow, so she must have either known or assumed that Edward was dead by then.

Algernon did travel back to Australia, where he settled and raised quite a large family.

I do feel that if Maria had given birth to Edith, then she would not have put her on the census as an orphan. Maybe Edith's birth mother did travel back from either Australia or India with Maria, and died giving birth to Little Edith, who Maria then adopted. To me this seems the most likely scenario, but I've a feeling that we shall never know the truth.

Thank you all again for your input,

Carol

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The Common Room / Natural daughter or adopted?
« on: Wednesday 24 February 10 22:38 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,
Would be interested to know if anyone has seen this before.

I've been sent a copy of a birth certificate for Edith Maud Blanchard, born in Shrewsbury Shropshire on 23rd July 1869. The father is given as Edward Blanchard, a freeholder, the mother as Maria Blanchard, formerly Butt. Nothing at all strange with that.

However the 1871 census shows the following (RG10 773 f36 p12)
Maria A Blanchard head widow age 31 no occupation born Middlesex Chelsea
Algernon Blanchard son age 12 born Sydney Australia NSW
and following that
Edith M Bellamy adopted daughter orphan age 2 born Shropshire

The 1881 census entry (RG11 106 f102 p27) shows
Maria Blanchard lodger widow age 38 born Middlesex Chelsea
Edith M Bellamy adopted daughter age 11 born India

When Edith marries in 1887, (Wandsworth district), she states that her father is Thomas Bellamy, gentleman, deceased. I have the entries for Edith in the next three censuses and she gives her birthplace as London.

Can anyone come up with a reason as to why Edith was registered as a Blanchard at birth then used Bellamy as her name for the rest of her life.

Many thanks,
Carol


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Kent Lookup Requests / Re: 1841 Census look-up please: William Henry Chappell
« on: Wednesday 07 October 09 21:55 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if this marriage entry from the IGI might be relevant:
Thomas Chappel and Harriett Ferguson 20 September 1832
St John the Evangelist, Lambeth

(re the 1881 census entry which shows an aunt - Mary A Ferguson)

I think this may be the 1841 entry for them:
HO107 488-8 folio 18 page 29, Effingham Place, Deptford
Thos Chapel age 38 labourer not born in county
Harriett do age 32 born in county
George age 6 not born in county
John age 11 months not born in county

I can't find the family in 1851, which should show if William is with them.

Just spotted this christening on the IGI:
William James Chapple
chr St Nicholas, Deptford 26 October 1845, parents Thomas and Harriet

I know it's the wrong middle name, but could possibly be your William.
Carol

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Berkshire / Re: Sam Goldbaum Morris
« on: Thursday 30 July 09 14:21 BST (UK)  »
Hello mum mum,

As you don't mention a name for your cousin's uncle, I thought I'd post what I think are his details as there may be others who can help.

I've found the marriage details:
Edna Sambrook (note the spelling) to Samuel Morris or Goldbaum
September quarter 1945, Eton district GRO ref 3a 4586

And the birth of their son:
John A Morris, September quarter 1946, Windsor district, GRO ref 6a 330 (mothers maiden name Sambrook)

A possible entry for Edna's birth:
Edna L Sambrook, December quarter 1922, Medway district, GRO ref 2a 1158 (mothers maiden name Barnard).
and her brother:
Jack C Sambrook, June quarter 1920, Medway district, GRO ref 2a 1592 (mothers maiden name Barnard)

Researching the Sambrook family may be easier, and any living descendants may point you in the direction of Edna's son.

I'm sorry that I can't help any more, but good luck with your search.
Carol.

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And I think this is the 1841 entry though the mother is Elizabeth??

1841 census: HO107-493 1 f9 page16, 23, Artillery Place, Woolwich
Elizabeth Mitchell age 34 dress maker Y
William Mitchell age 11 N
Mary Mitchell age 8 Y
James Mitchell age 3 Y

Also, possible death for John (the husband or the son ??)
Death: March quarter 1839, Greenwich district, vol 5 page 131
John MITCHELL

Carol

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